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Post by towerman on Apr 14, 2024 11:33:48 GMT
Can remember a time when the 210 went as far east as Leytonstone and was operated out of T with RFs.
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Post by richard on Apr 14, 2024 11:39:24 GMT
Can remember a time when the 210 went as far east as Leytonstone and was operated out of T with RFs. I remember it with DP before it became DD but I vaguely remember the RFs |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 14, 2024 13:47:00 GMT
Maybe route 19 could be withdrawn between Highbury Barn and Finsbury Park, plus 263 diverted at Archway to Finsbury Park via route 210. Then route 210 diverted to Finsbury Park via routes 19 & 263 then extended to Stamford Hill. This would eliminate the need for route 210 to become single-decked.
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Post by sdaniel on Apr 14, 2024 17:35:56 GMT
Maybe route 19 could be withdrawn between Highbury Barn and Finsbury Park, plus 263 diverted at Archway to Finsbury Park via route 210. Then route 210 diverted to Finsbury Park via routes 19 & 263 then extended to Stamford Hill. This would eliminate the need for route 210 to become single-decked. Frankly speaking, if the Sadiq really wants to connect the 2 Jewish communities by 1 direct bus, he should just create a new route instead of changing routes that would break links. For example the new proposed 310 bus route I made earlier, creating new links between Golders Green Station & Highgate Station, Highgate Station & Crouch End Broadway. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 14, 2024 17:41:19 GMT
I recall that the late Dame Barbara Windsor who travelled from home in Stoke Newington to school in Golders Green, mentioned the inconvenience of changing buses whilst doing that journey. That was a long time ago and it would be nice to think something will finally improve!
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Post by bk10mfe on Apr 14, 2024 22:14:10 GMT
Maybe route 19 could be withdrawn between Highbury Barn and Finsbury Park, plus 263 diverted at Archway to Finsbury Park via route 210. Then route 210 diverted to Finsbury Park via routes 19 & 263 then extended to Stamford Hill. This would eliminate the need for route 210 to become single-decked. Ideally a new route should be created instead of changing the 210 but if the 210 must be changed this isn’t the way to do it, there’s no reason to change the 19 or 263 & the 210 becomes extremely indirect this way. A previous idea I came up with was to have the 210 to mostly replace the 4’s LOR, but the 210 would go via Junction Road & the 134 via Whittington Hospital. This is still slightly indirect but is overall more direct than sending the 210 via Highbury & Islington & the 134 rerouting comes with its own separate benefits to the Whittington Hospital. |
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Post by redbus on Apr 14, 2024 22:46:57 GMT
One thing that comes to mind is that the 210 has recently been re-tendered with electric DD buses. Arguably the time to propose such changes as conversion to SD is prior to invitation to tender, so the possible proposed changes are in the tender document. Obviously this is impossible now which will make it more difficult to extend the route to Stamford Hill and make it SD.
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Post by sdaniel on Apr 14, 2024 23:42:13 GMT
One thing that comes to mind is that the 210 has recently been re-tendered with electric DD buses. Arguably the time to propose such changes as conversion to SD is prior to invitation to tender, so the possible proposed changes are in the tender document. Obviously this is impossible now which will make it more difficult to extend the route to Stamford Hill and make it SD. A lot of people will be against the 210 going to Stamford Hill anyway. The only solution is to create a new route. |
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 15, 2024 7:48:00 GMT
Maybe route 19 could be withdrawn between Highbury Barn and Finsbury Park, plus 263 diverted at Archway to Finsbury Park via route 210. Then route 210 diverted to Finsbury Park via routes 19 & 263 then extended to Stamford Hill. This would eliminate the need for route 210 to become single-decked. Frankly speaking, if the Sadiq really wants to connect the 2 Jewish communities by 1 direct bus, he should just create a new route instead of changing routes that would break links. For example the new proposed 310 bus route I made earlier, creating new links between Golders Green Station & Highgate Station, Highgate Station & Crouch End Broadway. Do we actually know that it won't be a new route? |
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Post by mondraker275 on Apr 15, 2024 8:23:43 GMT
One thing that comes to mind is that the 210 has recently been re-tendered with electric DD buses. Arguably the time to propose such changes as conversion to SD is prior to invitation to tender, so the possible proposed changes are in the tender document. Obviously this is impossible now which will make it more difficult to extend the route to Stamford Hill and make it SD. A lot of people will be against the 210 going to Stamford Hill anyway. The only solution is to create a new route. Why would that be the case? If it is an extension then there should be little objection. If there are other changes, single deck, restructure, then maybe. I suspect a lot of people will want it extended further down to Clapton as the Jewish community extends well into Clapton as SH is just the epicentre. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 15, 2024 8:25:53 GMT
Frankly speaking, if the Sadiq really wants to connect the 2 Jewish communities by 1 direct bus, he should just create a new route instead of changing routes that would break links. For example the new proposed 310 bus route I made earlier, creating new links between Golders Green Station & Highgate Station, Highgate Station & Crouch End Broadway. Do we actually know that it won't be a new route? I think all options are likely to be on the table, this is a political commitment and if re-elected TfL will have to work out out how best to deliver it from an operational point of view and how much the various options will cost. Politicians rarely do detail. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 15, 2024 8:26:05 GMT
Frankly speaking, if the Sadiq really wants to connect the 2 Jewish communities by 1 direct bus, he should just create a new route instead of changing routes that would break links. For example the new proposed 310 bus route I made earlier, creating new links between Golders Green Station & Highgate Station, Highgate Station & Crouch End Broadway. Do we actually know that it won't be a new route? It could just be like the 439 and be a 30 mins SD route without a late evening service to bring the cost down with the 210 still providing most the capacity over the corridor (or maybe loosing 1 bph). |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 15, 2024 8:30:10 GMT
Do we actually know that it won't be a new route? I think all options are likely to be on the table, this is a political commitment and if re-elected TfL will have to work out out how best to deliver it from an operational point of view and how much the various options will cost. Politicians rarely do detail. Most changes in recent times generally have come through saving a cost elsewhere. Even the Sutton/Croydon improvements were partly funded by removing overlaps the 455 already had with the 312/S4/154/Trams along its route. |
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 15, 2024 8:31:02 GMT
Do we actually know that it won't be a new route? I think all options are likely to be on the table, this is a political commitment and if re-elected TfL will have to work out out how best to deliver it from an operational point of view and how much the various options will cost. Politicians rarely do detail. Politicians generally over promise and under deliver though! |
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Post by lundnah on Apr 15, 2024 8:38:12 GMT
Frankly speaking, if the Sadiq really wants to connect the 2 Jewish communities by 1 direct bus, he should just create a new route instead of changing routes that would break links. For example the new proposed 310 bus route I made earlier, creating new links between Golders Green Station & Highgate Station, Highgate Station & Crouch End Broadway. Do we actually know that it won't be a new route? Yes, we know it won't be a new route.
"Khan... scored a big early hit by announcing TfL will be extending the 210 bus route to provide a direct, single-decker link between Stamford and Golders Green, home areas to London’s largest Orthodox Jewish communities, answering a long-standing request."
It'll be an extension of the 210.
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