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Post by Trafalgax on Sept 7, 2024 17:32:18 GMT
I tried out the 310 yesterday from Golders Green to Stamford Hill. It gets good loading despite following existing routes. The only problem is around Finsbury Park. People north of Stroud Green Road were letting the 310 pass in favour of 210/W3/W7 since those routes have direct access to the station, so there definitely needs to be an extra stop for the 310 under or before the bridge. Other than that, it's a decent route. Did it seem thou that many were actually making the cross FP link? That's the main question as if it's only drawing people from the 210, 253 etc then it's not really fulfilling a function. Yeah, there were still a few people on board that made it past the bridge, although I got the last bus so I don't know how accurate that is. |
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Post by greg on Sept 7, 2024 18:24:27 GMT
Would anyone agree there would be merit in rerouting the 310 between Stamford Hill and Finsbury Park / Tollington Road via Tollington Park, Upper Tollington, Haringey Station, the Superstores, Green Lanes & Rowley Gardens, Manor House Station to LOR and avoid Finsbury Park Station?
This area has long been without a bus service in the actual residential roads and could definitely benefit from some. Most are wide enough and it could make more connections connecting with routes W5, 141/341 etc. where they can switch for areas such as Tottenham, Archway, Stoke Newington etc.
The Jewish community doesnt exactly need to reach Finsbury Park Station as observationlly the demand is in GG-Highgate and Manor House-Stamford Hill in that aspect. This route is for all anyway. The 210 serves the station, and anyone that needs to swap at FPK for a bus, they would still meet every single route, just at a different stop. 210/W3/W7 at Tollington, 29/141/259/341 at Manor House, etc. The only route it wouldnt share a common stop is with services to Hackney or Islington, 106, 153, 236 and possibly the 4 but they are no more than a 3-4 minute walk away beneath the bridge.
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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 7, 2024 18:29:38 GMT
I tried out the 310 yesterday from Golders Green to Stamford Hill. It gets good loading despite following existing routes. The only problem is around Finsbury Park. People north of Stroud Green Road were letting the 310 pass in favour of 210/W3/W7 since those routes have direct access to the station, so there definitely needs to be an extra stop for the 310 under or before the bridge. Other than that, it's a decent route. I think it should skip Finsbury Park and head towards Manor House via Upper Tollington Park and Endymion Road to Green Lanes to Manor House |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 7, 2024 22:39:09 GMT
Would anyone agree there would be merit in rerouting the 310 between Stamford Hill and Finsbury Park / Tollington Road via Tollington Park, Upper Tollington, Haringey Station, the Superstores, Green Lanes & Rowley Gardens, Manor House Station to LOR and avoid Finsbury Park Station? This area has long been without a bus service in the actual residential roads and could definitely benefit from some. Most are wide enough and it could make more connections connecting with routes W5, 141/341 etc. where they can switch for areas such as Tottenham, Archway, Stoke Newington etc. The Jewish community doesnt exactly need to reach Finsbury Park Station as observationlly the demand is in GG-Highgate and Manor House-Stamford Hill in that aspect. This route is for all anyway. The 210 serves the station, and anyone that needs to swap at FPK for a bus, they would still meet every single route, just at a different stop. 210/W3/W7 at Tollington, 29/141/259/341 at Manor House, etc. The only route it wouldnt share a common stop is with services to Hackney or Islington, 106, 153, 236 and possibly the 4 but they are no more than a 3-4 minute walk away beneath the bridge. That's the exact routing I suggested when the 310 was first revealed so I'd agree with you there is definitely merit in going that way instead. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 8, 2024 7:45:15 GMT
Would anyone agree there would be merit in rerouting the 310 between Stamford Hill and Finsbury Park / Tollington Road via Tollington Park, Upper Tollington, Haringey Station, the Superstores, Green Lanes & Rowley Gardens, Manor House Station to LOR and avoid Finsbury Park Station? This area has long been without a bus service in the actual residential roads and could definitely benefit from some. Most are wide enough and it could make more connections connecting with routes W5, 141/341 etc. where they can switch for areas such as Tottenham, Archway, Stoke Newington etc. The Jewish community doesnt exactly need to reach Finsbury Park Station as observationlly the demand is in GG-Highgate and Manor House-Stamford Hill in that aspect. This route is for all anyway. The 210 serves the station, and anyone that needs to swap at FPK for a bus, they would still meet every single route, just at a different stop. 210/W3/W7 at Tollington, 29/141/259/341 at Manor House, etc. The only route it wouldnt share a common stop is with services to Hackney or Islington, 106, 153, 236 and possibly the 4 but they are no more than a 3-4 minute walk away beneath the bridge. That's the exact routing I suggested when the 310 was first revealed so I'd agree with you there is definitely merit in going that way instead. This was always my point with the 310. It was a great opportunity to link together some inner North London communities with a new bus route. But instead TfL have just jumped the gun. Frankly I don’t see it lasting beyond the year award but Khan still gets to say he did it. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 8, 2024 8:07:16 GMT
Would anyone agree there would be merit in rerouting the 310 between Stamford Hill and Finsbury Park / Tollington Road via Tollington Park, Upper Tollington, Haringey Station, the Superstores, Green Lanes & Rowley Gardens, Manor House Station to LOR and avoid Finsbury Park Station? This area has long been without a bus service in the actual residential roads and could definitely benefit from some. Most are wide enough and it could make more connections connecting with routes W5, 141/341 etc. where they can switch for areas such as Tottenham, Archway, Stoke Newington etc. The Jewish community doesnt exactly need to reach Finsbury Park Station as observationlly the demand is in GG-Highgate and Manor House-Stamford Hill in that aspect. This route is for all anyway. The 210 serves the station, and anyone that needs to swap at FPK for a bus, they would still meet every single route, just at a different stop. 210/W3/W7 at Tollington, 29/141/259/341 at Manor House, etc. The only route it wouldnt share a common stop is with services to Hackney or Islington, 106, 153, 236 and possibly the 4 but they are no more than a 3-4 minute walk away beneath the bridge. That's the exact routing I suggested when the 310 was first revealed so I'd agree with you there is definitely merit in going that way instead. Its possible as it was it was introduced so quickly that there wasn't time to explore new roads. Hopefully over the this year more investigation can be done over new routings. Similar to how when TFL took over some cross border routes and changed some routings to make them more useful like the 293 via Garth Road and the 405 via Pampisford Road and a few years later the 406/418 not just paralleling the 281 between Kingston and Surbiton. |
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Post by sw2 on Sept 8, 2024 8:13:25 GMT
What I have found interesting is that the route has been fairly well
loaded when I’ve seen it. The issue is where is it coming from, new journeys (unlikely) or just filling in for gaps in the 210.
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Post by redexpress on Sept 9, 2024 6:29:11 GMT
Would anyone agree there would be merit in rerouting the 310 between Stamford Hill and Finsbury Park / Tollington Road via Tollington Park, Upper Tollington, Haringey Station, the Superstores, Green Lanes & Rowley Gardens, Manor House Station to LOR and avoid Finsbury Park Station? This area has long been without a bus service in the actual residential roads and could definitely benefit from some. Most are wide enough and it could make more connections connecting with routes W5, 141/341 etc. where they can switch for areas such as Tottenham, Archway, Stoke Newington etc. The Jewish community doesnt exactly need to reach Finsbury Park Station as observationlly the demand is in GG-Highgate and Manor House-Stamford Hill in that aspect. This route is for all anyway. The 210 serves the station, and anyone that needs to swap at FPK for a bus, they would still meet every single route, just at a different stop. 210/W3/W7 at Tollington, 29/141/259/341 at Manor House, etc. The only route it wouldnt share a common stop is with services to Hackney or Islington, 106, 153, 236 and possibly the 4 but they are no more than a 3-4 minute walk away beneath the bridge. I'm not sure what exact routeing you're proposing. Do you mean double-runs to serve Harringay station and the superstores? Both would add a considerable amount of time, and the roads round Harringay station would restrict the route to smaller buses.
If you mean a simpler routeing via Upper Tollington Park, Endymion Road and Green Lanes, as others have suggested, I can see the attraction. However I'm not sure how useful that would really be. Much of this area is served by the W5, and I think the most obvious missing link for that area is to Finsbury Park station, which of course wouldn't be served. Also the bridge on Upper Tollington Park would still restrict the route to single-deckers.
I think my preferred route for the 310 would be via Holloway Road and Seven Sisters Road, or via Hornsey Road and Seven Sisters Road, with a conversion to DD.
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Post by sdaniel on Sept 9, 2024 13:10:00 GMT
Would anyone agree there would be merit in rerouting the 310 between Stamford Hill and Finsbury Park / Tollington Road via Tollington Park, Upper Tollington, Haringey Station, the Superstores, Green Lanes & Rowley Gardens, Manor House Station to LOR and avoid Finsbury Park Station? This area has long been without a bus service in the actual residential roads and could definitely benefit from some. Most are wide enough and it could make more connections connecting with routes W5, 141/341 etc. where they can switch for areas such as Tottenham, Archway, Stoke Newington etc. The Jewish community doesnt exactly need to reach Finsbury Park Station as observationlly the demand is in GG-Highgate and Manor House-Stamford Hill in that aspect. This route is for all anyway. The 210 serves the station, and anyone that needs to swap at FPK for a bus, they would still meet every single route, just at a different stop. 210/W3/W7 at Tollington, 29/141/259/341 at Manor House, etc. The only route it wouldnt share a common stop is with services to Hackney or Islington, 106, 153, 236 and possibly the 4 but they are no more than a 3-4 minute walk away beneath the bridge. I'm not sure what exact routeing you're proposing. Do you mean double-runs to serve Harringay station and the superstores? Both would add a considerable amount of time, and the roads round Harringay station would restrict the route to smaller buses.
I think my preferred route for the 310 would be via Holloway Road and Seven Sisters Road, or via Hornsey Road and Seven Sisters Road, with a conversion to DD.
He/she means just for it to run down Upper Tollington Park, Endymion Road and then turning right at Green Lanes to get to Manor House station then go to Stamford Hill from there. Not to double run inside Harringay Superstores. The 310 won’t run down Holloway Road because TFL think the Holloway to Archway corridor is over-bussed which is why 271 was withdrawn and 21 was rerouted, to the disappointment of most. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 9, 2024 13:17:21 GMT
I'm not sure what exact routeing you're proposing. Do you mean double-runs to serve Harringay station and the superstores? Both would add a considerable amount of time, and the roads round Harringay station would restrict the route to smaller buses. I think my preferred route for the 310 would be via Holloway Road and Seven Sisters Road, or via Hornsey Road and Seven Sisters Road, with a conversion to DD.
He/she means just for it to run down Upper Tollington Park, Endymion Road and then turning right at Green Lanes to get to Manor House station then go to Stamford Hill from there. Not to double run inside Harringay Superstores. The 310 won’t run down Holloway Road because TFL think the Holloway to Archway corridor is over-bussed which is why 271 was withdrawn and 21 was rerouted, to the disappointment of most. Not necessarily, the 271 was removed because of financial savings as well as providing an opportunity to finally remove the stand at Highgate. If they were that bothered about overbussing, then the 310 probably wouldn’t exist |
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Post by greg on Sept 9, 2024 13:43:44 GMT
He/she means just for it to run down Upper Tollington Park, Endymion Road and then turning right at Green Lanes to get to Manor House station then go to Stamford Hill from there. Not to double run inside Harringay Superstores. The 310 won’t run down Holloway Road because TFL think the Holloway to Archway corridor is over-bussed which is why 271 was withdrawn and 21 was rerouted, to the disappointment of most. Not necessarily, the 271 was removed because of financial savings as well as providing an opportunity to finally remove the stand at Highgate. If they were that bothered about overbussing, then the 310 probably wouldn’t exist I believe both are correct actually. I do have a bit of bettings they will use the overbussing excuse to rid of the 17 in some way shape or form, reroute or full withdrawal etc, as they have said Caledonian Road is also overbussed |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 9, 2024 16:01:26 GMT
He/she means just for it to run down Upper Tollington Park, Endymion Road and then turning right at Green Lanes to get to Manor House station then go to Stamford Hill from there. Not to double run inside Harringay Superstores. The 310 won’t run down Holloway Road because TFL think the Holloway to Archway corridor is over-bussed which is why 271 was withdrawn and 21 was rerouted, to the disappointment of most. Not necessarily, the 271 was removed because of financial savings as well as providing an opportunity to finally remove the stand at Highgate. If they were that bothered about overbussing, then the 310 probably wouldn’t exist In more normal circumstances I'd say yes that it wouldn't have been introduced but I think this was an order from above to get the 310 introduced regardless of anything. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 9, 2024 16:08:01 GMT
Not necessarily, the 271 was removed because of financial savings as well as providing an opportunity to finally remove the stand at Highgate. If they were that bothered about overbussing, then the 310 probably wouldn’t exist I believe both are correct actually. I do have a bit of bettings they will use the overbussing excuse to rid of the 17 in some way shape or form, reroute or full withdrawal etc, as they have said Caledonian Road is also overbussed Had the stand not been an issue the a merger with the 17 would probably have happened with the 234 and 263 not changed. That would have maintained a link from Highgate Village to Nag's Head, removed a route still between Nag's Head and Archway and the entire 271 could have been completed with just one change at Nag's Head (17/21). |
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Post by greg on Sept 9, 2024 21:49:29 GMT
I believe both are correct actually. I do have a bit of bettings they will use the overbussing excuse to rid of the 17 in some way shape or form, reroute or full withdrawal etc, as they have said Caledonian Road is also overbussed Had the stand not been an issue the a merger with the 17 would probably have happened with the 234 and 263 not changed. That would have maintained a link from Highgate Village to Nag's Head, removed a route still between Nag's Head and Archway and the entire 271 could have been completed with just one change at Nag's Head (17/21). I really do think we will get a 17/390 merger with the 390 route up to KX and then the existing 17 to LB. Probably will extend the 73 back up to Victoria and remove a route from OXO stands especially now with the road reformations going on there. Not convenient but seems financial. Other options could be rerouting the 214 to London Bridge from KX via the 17 and withdrawing the 17 as a whole. |
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