New Golders Green to Stamford Hill bus

[southlondonbus]

Apr 26, 2024 1:33:03 GMT COBO said:

Apr 25, 2024 20:51:00 GMT southlondonbus said:

So your saying they are legitimate and are just election promises?

I was meant to say not legitimate.

I agree with that and in fairness to many other proposals over the years if the cost/benefit ratio isn't there and if there is no need for extra capacity between FP and Stamford Hill why should it be provided.

[londonbuses2018]

I wonder where the 310 would stand, would it conflict with the 268?

[Busboy105]

Aug 7, 2024 21:31:40 GMT londonbuses2018 said:

I wonder where the 310 would stand, would it conflict with the 268?

That is the interesting part.

[sdaniel]

Aug 7, 2024 21:31:40 GMT londonbuses2018 said:

I wonder where the 310 would stand, would it conflict with the 268?

Interestingly, this should be an open reason to TFL of why 268 needs to change.

[Volvo]

Aug 7, 2024 21:31:40 GMT londonbuses2018 said:

I wonder where the 310 would stand, would it conflict with the 268?

Was wondering the exact same thing, Golders Green is rammed!!

[kmkcheng]

37769 has the honour of forming the first 310 departure heading towards Golders Green.
37537 was the first departure in the Stamford Hill direction

[sw2]

Still can’t believe they went with this routing, can’t see where it’ll get its passengers from aside from potentially Finsbury Park.

[Connor]

Sept 1, 2024 8:33:28 GMT sw2 said:

Still can’t believe they went with this routing, can’t see where it’ll get its passengers from aside from potentially Finsbury Park.

I expect to see a good number of passengers boarding at Archway/Whittington Hospital, the 41 always seem to be busy round there and the back of Hornsey.

But I too am disappointed that the route literally duplicates the 210 for the majority of its route. So many opportunities for new links or serving new areas were missed. Even rerouting via Hampstead Heath, Gospel Oak would have better supported the C11 and connected those areas to Golders Green.

What's more confusing for me is the stopping arrangement at Finsbury Park. In the Golders Green direction, the route stops at Rock Street and the the next stop is Tollington Road? Skipping Finsbury Park Bus Station? That makes no sense to me.

[wirewiper]

Sept 1, 2024 8:45:42 GMT Connor said:

Sept 1, 2024 8:33:28 GMT sw2 said:

Still can’t believe they went with this routing, can’t see where it’ll get its passengers from aside from potentially Finsbury Park.

I expect to see a good number of passengers boarding at Archway/Whittington Hospital, the 41 always seem to be busy round there and the back of Hornsey.

But I too am disappointed that the route literally duplicates the 210 for the majority of its route. So many opportunities for new links or serving new areas were missed. Even rerouting via Hampstead Heath, Gospel Oak would have better supported the C11 and connected those areas to Golders Green.

What's more confusing for me is the stopping arrangement at Finsbury Park. In the Golders Green direction, the route stops at Rock Street and the the next stop is Tollington Road? Skipping Finsbury Park Bus Station? That makes no sense to me.

Makes sense to me. If you mean the bus station on the station forecourt, left turns into Stroud Green Road are not permitted (and the exit from the bus station is not designed for it). If you mean Wells Terrace, that would involve a time-consuming loop working through a busy and congested area with a time penalty for through passengers travelling across Finsbury Park, for whom the route is intended. 

As I said somewhere (there are now at least three different threads covering this route so it's impossible to keep track!), I expect the longer-term solution, if the route is made permanent and continues to operate via Finsbury Park, would be to have new bus stops in Stroud Green Road just north of Wells Terrace solely for the 310. However suitable locations would need to be identified and consulted on, and given the imperative to introduce this route quickly there was not time to do this.  

[vjaska]

Sept 1, 2024 9:01:51 GMT wirewiper said:

Sept 1, 2024 8:45:42 GMT Connor said:

I expect to see a good number of passengers boarding at Archway/Whittington Hospital, the 41 always seem to be busy round there and the back of Hornsey.

But I too am disappointed that the route literally duplicates the 210 for the majority of its route. So many opportunities for new links or serving new areas were missed. Even rerouting via Hampstead Heath, Gospel Oak would have better supported the C11 and connected those areas to Golders Green.

What's more confusing for me is the stopping arrangement at Finsbury Park. In the Golders Green direction, the route stops at Rock Street and the the next stop is Tollington Road? Skipping Finsbury Park Bus Station? That makes no sense to me.

Makes sense to me. If you mean the bus station on the station forecourt, left turns into Stroud Green Road are not permitted (and the exit from the bus station is not designed for it). If you mean Wells Terrace, that would involve a time-consuming loop working through a busy and congested area with a time penalty for through passengers travelling across Finsbury Park, for whom the route is intended. 

As I said somewhere (there are now at least three different threads covering this route so it's impossible to keep track!), I expect the longer-term solution, if the route is made permanent and continues to operate via Finsbury Park, would be to have new bus stops in Stroud Green Road just north of Wells Terrace solely for the 310. However suitable locations would need to be identified and consulted on, and given the imperative to introduce this route quickly there was not time to do this.  

It could be argued that if Finsbury Park isn’t so key to this route’s purpose, then maybe it should have been routed via Upper Tollington Park, Endymion Road, Harringay Green Lanes and back up to Manor House and leave the 210 to deal with Finsbury Park Station

[sdaniel]

Sept 1, 2024 13:21:16 GMT vjaska said:

Sept 1, 2024 9:01:51 GMT wirewiper said:

As I said somewhere (there are now at least three different threads covering this route so it's impossible to keep track!), 

It could be argued that if Finsbury Park isn’t so key to this route’s purpose, then maybe it should have been routed via Upper Tollington Park, Endymion Road, Harringay Green Lanes and back up to Manor House and leave the 210 to deal with Finsbury Park Station

Exactly. 

I’d advise everybody henceforth to go on the thread created today by londonbuses if you want to discuss about 310 further since the original consultation is there.
tangytango.proboards.com/threads/recent/13140

[Trafalgax]

I tried out the 310 yesterday from Golders Green to Stamford Hill. It gets good loading despite following existing routes. The only problem is around Finsbury Park. People north of Stroud Green Road were letting the 310 pass in favour of 210/W3/W7 since those routes have direct access to the station, so there definitely needs to be an extra stop for the 310 under or before the bridge. Other than that, it's a decent route.

[wirewiper]

Sept 7, 2024 15:10:11 GMT Trafalgax said:

I tried out the 310 yesterday from Golders Green to Stamford Hill. It gets good loading despite following existing routes. The only problem is around Finsbury Park. People north of Stroud Green Road were letting the 310 pass in favour of 210/W3/W7 since those routes have direct access to the station, so there definitely needs to be an extra stop for the 310 under or before the bridge. Other than that, it's a decent route.

I suspect that long-term, if the 310 is to continue, there will be new stops on Stroud Green Road close to Wells Terrace. However suitable locations have to be identified, assessed and put to consultation - it isn't as simple as attaching a bus stop flag to a lamppost. Having two Boroughs involved (The Islington-Haringey border runs down the middle of Stroud Green Road) may also complicate matters! 

[southlondonbus]

Sept 7, 2024 15:10:11 GMT Trafalgax said:

I tried out the 310 yesterday from Golders Green to Stamford Hill. It gets good loading despite following existing routes. The only problem is around Finsbury Park. People north of Stroud Green Road were letting the 310 pass in favour of 210/W3/W7 since those routes have direct access to the station, so there definitely needs to be an extra stop for the 310 under or before the bridge. Other than that, it's a decent route.

Did it seem thou that many were actually making the cross FP link? That's the main question as if it's only drawing people from the 210, 253 etc then it's not really fulfilling a function.

[greenboy]

Sept 7, 2024 15:19:57 GMT wirewiper said:

Sept 7, 2024 15:10:11 GMT Trafalgax said:

I tried out the 310 yesterday from Golders Green to Stamford Hill. It gets good loading despite following existing routes. The only problem is around Finsbury Park. People north of Stroud Green Road were letting the 310 pass in favour of 210/W3/W7 since those routes have direct access to the station, so there definitely needs to be an extra stop for the 310 under or before the bridge. Other than that, it's a decent route.

I suspect that long-term, if the 310 is to continue, there will be new stops on Stroud Green Road close to Wells Terrace. However suitable locations have to be identified, assessed and put to consultation - it isn't as simple as attaching a bus stop flag to a lamppost. Having two Boroughs involved (The Islington-Haringey border runs down the middle of Stroud Green Road) may also complicate matters! 

Wouldn't it be better to reroute it via Holloway to serve Finsbury Park better? Double deckers would also be possible.