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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 29, 2024 16:46:00 GMT
Do hospitals need night services though? Shifts don’t tend to finish in the middle of the night, there are no visiting hours and let’s be honest if you’re well enough to walk to the bus stop, wait for the bus and then walk to the A&E you can’t be that unwell. If it’s an emergency I’m calling an ambulance or getting an Uber right to the front door. Absolutely zero chance most people would wait for a bus. Could be Hundreds of reasons somebody needs to go A&E or from A&E , not everything has to be blue lights and a ambulance , so yeah I think buses serving hospitals 24/7 is a good thing and makes sense . The overwhelming majority of those would be for emergency lifesaving treatment. If I’m sick enough to need to go to A&E at night I’m not gonna waste time by waiting for a bus. Nobody who has to go to A&E in the middle of the night is not going to take a slow approach. Even discharges don’t tend to be in the middle of the night as there are typically less staff working so delays in tests, x-rays etc are common overnight. |
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Post by PGAT on Apr 29, 2024 17:04:28 GMT
Epsom doesn’t have a night service either and similarly there are complaints I’m aware of. Personally I wouldn’t go to St Helier at night, it’s horrible enough during the day. I’ve always said if I’m conscious I will demand to be taken to St George’s or Kingston. If it ever gets re built at Belmont then no doubt there will be calls to extend the N44 to the hospital. In fairness that wouldn't be a bad thing anyways to serve Brighton Road. And would be really satisfying to fully cover the 280 route |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 29, 2024 17:20:10 GMT
Could be Hundreds of reasons somebody needs to go A&E or from A&E , not everything has to be blue lights and a ambulance , so yeah I think buses serving hospitals 24/7 is a good thing and makes sense . The overwhelming majority of those would be for emergency lifesaving treatment. If I’m sick enough to need to go to A&E at night I’m not gonna waste time by waiting for a bus. Nobody who has to go to A&E in the middle of the night is not going to take a slow approach. Even discharges don’t tend to be in the middle of the night as there are typically less staff working so delays in tests, x-rays etc are common overnight. I agree there's no obvious need for night buses to serve hospitals. If an ambulance isn't available the NHS often pay for a taxi to get someone to A&E, they certainly wouldn't expect them to get a bus. |
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 29, 2024 18:37:58 GMT
Could be Hundreds of reasons somebody needs to go A&E or from A&E , not everything has to be blue lights and a ambulance , so yeah I think buses serving hospitals 24/7 is a good thing and makes sense . The overwhelming majority of those would be for emergency lifesaving treatment. If I’m sick enough to need to go to A&E at night I’m not gonna waste time by waiting for a bus. Nobody who has to go to A&E in the middle of the night is not going to take a slow approach. Even discharges don’t tend to be in the middle of the night as there are typically less staff working so delays in tests, x-rays etc are common overnight. You could be getting discharged from A&E in the middle of the night , or have a relative dying in A&E and not have the money for a cab etc or been working late and had a crazy shift and have had to leave work late after midnight , Ambulances don't always come out there are many instances of people waiting ages for an ambulance and been told to make their own way to the hospital , they might not have funds for a fast way or family to get them there , If town centres can have 24/7 bus routes surely major hospitals should ? |
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 29, 2024 19:06:05 GMT
The overwhelming majority of those would be for emergency lifesaving treatment. If I’m sick enough to need to go to A&E at night I’m not gonna waste time by waiting for a bus. Nobody who has to go to A&E in the middle of the night is not going to take a slow approach. Even discharges don’t tend to be in the middle of the night as there are typically less staff working so delays in tests, x-rays etc are common overnight. You could be getting discharged from A&E in the middle of the night , or have a relative dying in A&E and not have the money for a cab etc or been working late and had a crazy shift and have had to leave work late after midnight , Ambulances don't always come out there are many instances of people waiting ages for an ambulance and been told to make their own way to the hospital , they might not have funds for a fast way or family to get them there , If town centres can have 24/7 bus routes surely major hospitals should ? I’m not saying hospitals shouldn’t have night services but I don’t think they’d be particularly well used. All of these scenarios you describe are literal emergencies, you aren’t waiting 30-60 minutes for a bus if you’re being told your family member is close to death. You aren’t taking a bus if you’re so ill you have to call an ambulance and you aren’t likely to get discharged overnight. In fact NHS England have guidance against it. I could be down to my last two pennies and about to bang a Persian prince for £50 but I’m not waiting up to an hour in any of those scenarios. |
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 29, 2024 21:26:24 GMT
The overwhelming majority of those would be for emergency lifesaving treatment. If I’m sick enough to need to go to A&E at night I’m not gonna waste time by waiting for a bus. Nobody who has to go to A&E in the middle of the night is not going to take a slow approach. Even discharges don’t tend to be in the middle of the night as there are typically less staff working so delays in tests, x-rays etc are common overnight. I agree there's no obvious need for night buses to serve hospitals. If an ambulance isn't available the NHS often pay for a taxi to get someone to A&E, they certainly wouldn't expect them to get a bus. Never say never! When I was attacked in 2017 and was forcibly driven to Newham General by a friend's mother at the time who was also a nurse, I was told at half 2 in the morning to make my way to Royal London. I'd say my jaw dropped to the floor upon hearing that, but unfortunately that was already the case as it was broken. Didn't want to get drawn into this debate or indeed this duplicate thread, but it's foolish to think all hospital staff are on the same two shift patterns. It is far from the case as consultants, lab technicians, pharmacy staff and support staff like porters and security guards all co-exist in a hospital. They finish as late as 1am and start as early as 3am. That's not even mentioning doctors who are prone to finishing shifts late due to chronic under-funding. I echo joefrombow's sentiments in saying that if there is demand at night to hospitals with A&E departments, they should be served. Surely night buses exist to serve passengers already making these journeys, it'd be a smart use of resources to capture as much patronage as possible. |
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Post by cl54 on Apr 29, 2024 22:25:47 GMT
Do hospitals need night services though? Shifts don’t tend to finish in the middle of the night, there are no visiting hours and let’s be honest if you’re well enough to walk to the bus stop, wait for the bus and then walk to the A&E you can’t be that unwell. If it’s an emergency I’m calling an ambulance or getting an Uber right to the front door. Absolutely zero chance most people would wait for a bus. Could be Hundreds of reasons somebody needs to go A&E or from A&E , not everything has to be blue lights and a ambulance , so yeah I think buses serving hospitals 24/7 is a good thing and makes sense . Not all hospitals have A&E departments. |
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Post by yunus on Apr 29, 2024 23:11:51 GMT
I agree there's no obvious need for night buses to serve hospitals. If an ambulance isn't available the NHS often pay for a taxi to get someone to A&E, they certainly wouldn't expect them to get a bus. Never say never! When I was attacked in 2017 and was forcibly driven to Newham General by a friend's mother at the time who was also a nurse, I was told at half 2 in the morning to make my way to Royal London. I'd say my jaw dropped to the floor upon hearing that, but unfortunately that was already the case as it was broken. Didn't want to get drawn into this debate or indeed this duplicate thread, but it's foolish to think all hospital staff are on the same two shift patterns. It is far from the case as consultants, lab technicians, pharmacy staff and support staff like porters and security guards all co-exist in a hospital. They finish as late as 1am and start as early as 3am. That's not even mentioning doctors who are prone to finishing shifts late due to chronic under-funding. I echo joefrombow 's sentiments in saying that if there is demand at night to hospitals with A&E departments, they should be served. Surely night buses exist to serve passengers already making these journeys, it'd be a smart use of resources to capture as much patronage as possible. So sorry to hear, I genuinely am. I also got attacked in 2017 the 1st night of GoAhead running the 5 group. The ambulance service were to busy to attend so the old bill drove me to Whipps X but then the trauma just continued. This is a core reason why I am always wary whilst travelling at night. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 30, 2024 5:39:24 GMT
I agree there's no obvious need for night buses to serve hospitals. If an ambulance isn't available the NHS often pay for a taxi to get someone to A&E, they certainly wouldn't expect them to get a bus. Never say never! When I was attacked in 2017 and was forcibly driven to Newham General by a friend's mother at the time who was also a nurse, I was told at half 2 in the morning to make my way to Royal London. I'd say my jaw dropped to the floor upon hearing that, but unfortunately that was already the case as it was broken. Didn't want to get drawn into this debate or indeed this duplicate thread, but it's foolish to think all hospital staff are on the same two shift patterns. It is far from the case as consultants, lab technicians, pharmacy staff and support staff like porters and security guards all co-exist in a hospital. They finish as late as 1am and start as early as 3am. That's not even mentioning doctors who are prone to finishing shifts late due to chronic under-funding. I echo joefrombow's sentiments in saying that if there is demand at night to hospitals with A&E departments, they should be served. Surely night buses exist to serve passengers already making these journeys, it'd be a smart use of resources to capture as much patronage as possible. In the situation you described I'd have probably got a cab and if you didn't have the means to pay for one I think the hospital should have provided transport. Yes there may be the odd person finishing in the early hours but I think most night shifts tend to be something like 22.00 to 06.00 or similar. I think the original point was that while many hospitals with a 24 hour A&E have a night service by default they don't necessarily justify a night service on their own. |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 30, 2024 8:48:31 GMT
Never say never! When I was attacked in 2017 and was forcibly driven to Newham General by a friend's mother at the time who was also a nurse, I was told at half 2 in the morning to make my way to Royal London. I'd say my jaw dropped to the floor upon hearing that, but unfortunately that was already the case as it was broken. Didn't want to get drawn into this debate or indeed this duplicate thread, but it's foolish to think all hospital staff are on the same two shift patterns. It is far from the case as consultants, lab technicians, pharmacy staff and support staff like porters and security guards all co-exist in a hospital. They finish as late as 1am and start as early as 3am. That's not even mentioning doctors who are prone to finishing shifts late due to chronic under-funding. I echo joefrombow's sentiments in saying that if there is demand at night to hospitals with A&E departments, they should be served. Surely night buses exist to serve passengers already making these journeys, it'd be a smart use of resources to capture as much patronage as possible. In the situation you described I'd have probably got a cab and if you didn't have the means to pay for one I think the hospital should have provided transport. Yes there may be the odd person finishing in the early hours but I think most night shifts tend to be something like 22.00 to 06.00 or similar. I think the original point was that while many hospitals with a 24 hour A&E have a night service by default they don't necessarily justify a night service on their own. Newham General has never had a night service and Barking Road is probably a 5 to 10 min walk away. The hospital had to wait until 1999 to even get a day service that passed the hospital. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Apr 30, 2024 11:53:09 GMT
In the situation you described I'd have probably got a cab and if you didn't have the means to pay for one I think the hospital should have provided transport. Yes there may be the odd person finishing in the early hours but I think most night shifts tend to be something like 22.00 to 06.00 or similar. I think the original point was that while many hospitals with a 24 hour A&E have a night service by default they don't necessarily justify a night service on their own. Newham General has never had a night service and Barking Road is probably a 5 to 10 min walk away. The hospital had to wait until 1999 to even get a day service that passed the hospital. Assuming the service that was passing the hospital was the 276, didn’t that still used to pass the hospital before 1999 and was cut back from East Beckton in 1999, but continued to serve the hospital as it does today. |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 30, 2024 12:02:05 GMT
Newham General has never had a night service and Barking Road is probably a 5 to 10 min walk away. The hospital had to wait until 1999 to even get a day service that passed the hospital. Assuming the service that was passing the hospital was the 276, didn’t that still used to pass the hospital before 1999 and was cut back from East Beckton in 1999, but continued to serve the hospital as it does today. The 276 used to continue along Prince Regent Lane towards Beckton where as now it turns into Glen Road and runs past the hospital. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Apr 30, 2024 12:02:28 GMT
Personally regarding hospitals, unless a route would benefit from a night service & happens to pass by a hospital (e.g the aforementioned 486) I don’t think it’s needed to go out of the way to make extra night routes designed specifically to serve hospitals. Dagenham definitely does need more night services but I don’t think the 173 is an optimal night service tbh.
One idea I came up with a while ago was to have an N238 running between Stratford & Rainham, following the daytime route to Barking, Longbridge Road, the 145 to Rainham Road & the 103 to Rainham Station. This helps patch up several areas of the 145 that were withdrawn when that weekend night service got withdrawn that lack alternative night routes & also gives Rainham a night service too.
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 30, 2024 12:49:06 GMT
Never say never! When I was attacked in 2017 and was forcibly driven to Newham General by a friend's mother at the time who was also a nurse, I was told at half 2 in the morning to make my way to Royal London. I'd say my jaw dropped to the floor upon hearing that, but unfortunately that was already the case as it was broken. Didn't want to get drawn into this debate or indeed this duplicate thread, but it's foolish to think all hospital staff are on the same two shift patterns. It is far from the case as consultants, lab technicians, pharmacy staff and support staff like porters and security guards all co-exist in a hospital. They finish as late as 1am and start as early as 3am. That's not even mentioning doctors who are prone to finishing shifts late due to chronic under-funding. I echo joefrombow's sentiments in saying that if there is demand at night to hospitals with A&E departments, they should be served. Surely night buses exist to serve passengers already making these journeys, it'd be a smart use of resources to capture as much patronage as possible. In the situation you described I'd have probably got a cab and if you didn't have the means to pay for one I think the hospital should have provided transport. Yes there may be the odd person finishing in the early hours but I think most night shifts tend to be something like 22.00 to 06.00 or similar. I think the original point was that while many hospitals with a 24 hour A&E have a night service by default they don't necessarily justify a night service on their own. I suppose not on its own , but still handy to have and creates some form of justification for a night route to serve an area that hasn't had a Night Service , Be interesting to see where things go with buses if Sadiq or Susan get in now that tfl are making a profit once again. |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 30, 2024 12:50:00 GMT
I see Dagenham being mentioned almost daily but are people so sure there is demand? TfL decided not to even bother reintroducing the weekend night service on the 145 and that to me says it all really.
I am sure it would be nice to have services in all parts at night but if the demand is not there then how can it be justified. Even if a service was introduced it probably would never cover its costs even if demand built up over time.
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