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Post by greenboy on Jul 15, 2024 16:23:03 GMT
It could have been all songs in the street🎵!
Whilst the best team won I don't think we were worse than anything else that was on show. It might have been different if that late chance hadn't been cleared off the line or if Cole Palmer had started the game and maybe Ivan Toney instead of Harry Kane? We looked to be in the acendancy after we equalised but Spain had the know how just to take the sting out of the game.
I think it's the end for Gareth Southgate, who will replace him?
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 15, 2024 20:32:37 GMT
It could have been all songs in the street🎵! Whilst the best team won I don't think we worse than anything else that was on offer, it might have been different if that late chance hadn't been cleared off the line or if Cole Palmer had started the game and maybe Ivan Toney instead of Harry Kane? We looked to be in the acendancy after we equalised but Spain had the know how just to take the sting out of the game. I think it's the end for Gareth Southgate, who will replace him? Hopefully the end of Kane, rather than Southgate. When at Tottenham, he rarely turned up for Cup games. He shows as much momentum as a Streetdeck on Muswell Hill. He should have been subbed at half time. The better team won, and it's the second Final England have reached in as many Euro competitions. Spain were on form though, England seemed like they were more fortunate rather than they fought to be there, but it's good to see more youngsters in the side. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 15, 2024 21:17:25 GMT
It could have been all songs in the street🎵! Whilst the best team won I don't think we worse than anything else that was on offer, it might have been different if that late chance hadn't been cleared off the line or if Cole Palmer had started the game and maybe Ivan Toney instead of Harry Kane? We looked to be in the acendancy after we equalised but Spain had the know how just to take the sting out of the game. I think it's the end for Gareth Southgate, who will replace him? Hopefully the end of Kane, rather than Southgate. When at Tottenham, he rarely turned up for Cup games. He shows as much momentum as a Streetdeck on Muswell Hill. He should have been subbed at half time. The better team won, and it's the second Final England have reached in as many Euro competitions. Spain were on form though, England seemed like they were more fortunate rather than they fought to be there, but it's good to see more youngsters in the side. I think Harry Kane is cursed, Bayern Munich won nothing for the first time in years. |
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Post by Paul on Jul 16, 2024 10:28:11 GMT
I think it's the end for Gareth Southgate, who will replace him? It’s not surprising that Southgate has tendered his resignation although whoever replaces him has a lot to live up to. Two finals and a semi final are far more than anyone else has achieved with England since Sir Alf won the World Cup. Who will it be? I have no idea - there are a lot of candidates. If you go English then surely Potter and Howe will be at the top of the list. If you go foreign then it has to be Klopp doesn’t it? |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 16, 2024 10:57:35 GMT
I think it's the end for Gareth Southgate, who will replace him? It’s not surprising that Southgate has tendered his resignation although whoever replaces him has a lot to live up to. Two finals and a semi final are far more than anyone else has achieved with England since Sir Alf won the World Cup. Who will it be? I have no idea - there are a lot of candidates. If you go English then surely Potter and Howe will be at the top of the list. If you go foreign then it has to be Klopp doesn’t it? Gareth Southgate can hold his head high for what he's achieved but he just couldn't quite land a trophy. Jurgen Klopp seems to be getting a lot of mentions, I've no idea if he would be interested in the job? Just my opinion but I think we should be looking for an English manager for the national team. Lee Carsley has been mentioned and as you say Eddie Howe but I can't see Graham Potter being a popular choice after his spell at Chelsea. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 16, 2024 11:05:44 GMT
I think it's the end for Gareth Southgate, who will replace him? It’s not surprising that Southgate has tendered his resignation although whoever replaces him has a lot to live up to. Two finals and a semi final are far more than anyone else has achieved with England since Sir Alf won the World Cup. Who will it be? I have no idea - there are a lot of candidates. If you go English then surely Potter and Howe will be at the top of the list. If you go foreign then it has to be Klopp doesn’t it? There seems to be an obsession with English managers when really we need to get who the right person for the job is going to be. Tuchel would also be another shout but I have no clue if they'll even consider him. |
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Post by Paul on Jul 16, 2024 11:14:48 GMT
It’s not surprising that Southgate has tendered his resignation although whoever replaces him has a lot to live up to. Two finals and a semi final are far more than anyone else has achieved with England since Sir Alf won the World Cup. Who will it be? I have no idea - there are a lot of candidates. If you go English then surely Potter and Howe will be at the top of the list. If you go foreign then it has to be Klopp doesn’t it? Gareth Southgate can hold his head high for what he's achieved but he just couldn't quite land a trophy. Jurgen Klopp seems to be getting a lot of mentions, I've no idea if he would be interested in the job? Just my opinion but I think we should be looking for an English manager for the national team. Lee Carsley has been mentioned and as you say Eddie Howe but I can't see Graham Potter being a popular choice after his spell at Chelsea. Klopp is at the sort of age where international management generally appeals because it’s not as intensive as club management. It would be remiss of the FA to not at least sound him out about the job - if he’s not interested then fair enough but I think he could definitely do something with this team Lee Carsley would be following the same route as Southgate in going from the Under 21s to the senior team but I’m not sure the FA would go the same way again. Potter didn’t succeed at Chelsea but did work wonders at Brighton I don’t see there being a stand out candidate but the FA have time over the summer to bring in the man (or woman? Does Weigman have a shot?) they really want |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 16, 2024 11:33:32 GMT
Gareth Southgate can hold his head high for what he's achieved but he just couldn't quite land a trophy. Jurgen Klopp seems to be getting a lot of mentions, I've no idea if he would be interested in the job? Just my opinion but I think we should be looking for an English manager for the national team. Lee Carsley has been mentioned and as you say Eddie Howe but I can't see Graham Potter being a popular choice after his spell at Chelsea. Klopp is at the sort of age where international management generally appeals because it’s not as intensive as club management. It would be remiss of the FA to not at least sound him out about the job - if he’s not interested then fair enough but I think he could definitely do something with this team Lee Carsley would be following the same route as Southgate in going from the Under 21s to the senior team but I’m not sure the FA would go the same way again. Potter didn’t succeed at Chelsea but did work wonders at Brighton I don’t see there being a stand out candidate but the FA have time over the summer to bring in the man (or woman? Does Weigman have a shot?) they really want I think Klopp would be ideal in many ways but if we do happen to win something there will always be the line that it took a German to win it for us. Unfortunately the likes of Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney have just proven the old addage about great players not making great managers. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 16, 2024 12:10:02 GMT
It’s not surprising that Southgate has tendered his resignation although whoever replaces him has a lot to live up to. Two finals and a semi final are far more than anyone else has achieved with England since Sir Alf won the World Cup. Who will it be? I have no idea - there are a lot of candidates. If you go English then surely Potter and Howe will be at the top of the list. If you go foreign then it has to be Klopp doesn’t it? There seems to be an obsession with English managers when really we need to get who the right person for the job is going to be. Tuchel would also be another shout but I have no clue if they'll even consider him. Hardly an obsession but would the German or French national team be happy with an English manager? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 16, 2024 12:16:56 GMT
There seems to be an obsession with English managers when really we need to get who the right person for the job is going to be. Tuchel would also be another shout but I have no clue if they'll even consider him. Hardly an obsession but would the German or French national team be happy with an English manager? The difference is that they have managed to find success within their country. When was the last timeban English manager won the Prem? |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2024 14:54:50 GMT
Hardly an obsession but would the German or French national team be happy with an English manager? The difference is that they have managed to find success within their country. When was the last timeban English manager won the Prem? No English manager has won the Premier League (two Scots did with Ferguson’s multiple titles at Utd & Dalglish with Blackburn) - last English manager to win the top division was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds in 1991-92. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2024 15:17:47 GMT
As most know, I’ve long been critical of England and with good reason so my opinion probably won’t matter but I’ll give it anyway:
So it’s quite clear that the pool of players at Englands disposal has improved greatly and the majority of England players at the tournament are at the very least of decent, solid quality sprinkled with a few outstanding players & that is no doubt down to the investment that has been ploughed in at both club & international level and an improvement in the quality of coaching players are working with at their respective clubs. That will no doubt improve even more over the years.
England’s issue now is solely the quality of the manager and regardless of what Southgate has apparently achieved, he doesn’t match the same level as the squad he is managing. His tournament success is tempered with his runs through them - not his fault of course but the first real test they face, they usually flunk and nine times out of ten, that’s down to Southgate be it through not being proactive enough with changes or not being progressive enough with his tactics. There is a reason why he faces lots of criticism - it’s not done just for the fun of it but because he simply isn’t good enough.
England’s manager shouldn’t have to be English (I find that particular requirement incredibly odd but that’s just my personal opinion) & they should be progressive with their tactics. If they get the second bit right, then they have a real chance of silencing any doubters and if they do that, I’ll be the first to congratulate them too.
The contenders - so I think we can rule Klopp out because he has explicitly said he wants a break from football so I don’t think he’ll take any job for at least the next year. Howe & Potter are the two best English choices out there - I don’t think Potters record at Chelsea really should come into it given he was hung out to dry and I don’t believe those signings made whilst he was there were actually his - he’s a good manager and he could be a good choice given he’ll be much easier to acquire than Howe who might be reluctant to leave Newcastle. Pochettino has been looked - again, his Chelsea tenure really should be ignored given how much of a basket case they are and I think he could also be a good fit. I finish with an extremely unlikely and left field choice - Arsene Wenger. Think what he could do with this batch of players
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Post by greenboy on Jul 16, 2024 17:12:10 GMT
Hardly an obsession but would the German or French national team be happy with an English manager? The difference is that they have managed to find success within their country. When was the last timeban English manager won the Prem? We'll never know what English managers are up to the job if they're not given a chance and Gareth Southgate has done a reasonably good job even if he couldn't quite achieve the holy grail. Nobody would seriously ask Manuel Noyer to play in goal for England so why recruit a German manager, just as they wouldn't want an English manager. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 16, 2024 17:41:21 GMT
The difference is that they have managed to find success within their country. When was the last timeban English manager won the Prem? We'll never know what English managers are up to the job if they're not given a chance and Gareth Southgate has done a reasonably good job even if he couldn't quite achieve the holy grail. Nobody would seriously ask Manuel Noyer to play in goal for England so why recruit a German manager, just as they wouldn't want an English manager. Because of the same reason we have a German managing the England women's team? We've had Capello before and Martinez is currently the Portugal manager. Carlos Queiroz who has previously managed Madrid has managed a plethora of national teams. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 16, 2024 18:12:12 GMT
We'll never know what English managers are up to the job if they're not given a chance and Gareth Southgate has done a reasonably good job even if he couldn't quite achieve the holy grail. Nobody would seriously ask Manuel Noyer to play in goal for England so why recruit a German manager, just as they wouldn't want an English manager. Because of the same reason we have a German managing the England women's team? We've had Capello before and Martinez is currently the Portugal manager. Carlos Queiroz who has previously managed Madrid has managed a plethora of national teams. Argentina Brazil Germany and Italy have never had a foreign manager and I think France only briefly had one about 50 years ago. |
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