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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 16, 2024 18:18:47 GMT
Because of the same reason we have a German managing the England women's team? We've had Capello before and Martinez is currently the Portugal manager. Carlos Queiroz who has previously managed Madrid has managed a plethora of national teams. Argentina Brazil Germany and Italy have never had a foreign manager and I think France only briefly had one about 50 years ago. You've completely ignored my point about the women's manager being international. Like I said you just need one exception to disprove a rule and there's multiple exceptions. Klopp and Tuchel would be amazing fits for the England team. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 16, 2024 18:26:27 GMT
Argentina Brazil Germany and Italy have never had a foreign manager and I think France only briefly had one about 50 years ago. You've completely ignored my point about the women's manager being international. Like I said you just need one exception to disprove a rule and there's multiple exceptions. Klopp and Tuchel would be amazing fits for the England team. I didn't ignore it, I just didn't think it was particularly relevant. Thomas Tuchel was sacked by Chelsea and Bayern Munich. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 16, 2024 18:38:32 GMT
You've completely ignored my point about the women's manager being international. Like I said you just need one exception to disprove a rule and there's multiple exceptions. Klopp and Tuchel would be amazing fits for the England team. I didn't ignore it, I just didn't think it was particularly relevant. Thomas Tuchel was sacked by Chelsea and Bayern Munich. Thuchel has trophies under his belt though. How is the England woman's team management not relevant. Surely if you're against an international manager for the men's team you should also be against one for the woman's team? |
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 17, 2024 7:39:58 GMT
Statistically, if you look at the history of the Euros and World Cup, only one time has the winning team had a foreign manager and that was Greece when they had the German Otto Rehagel. So having a foreign manager does not matter really.
I think the key is having a manager who speaks the language clearly and passionately. You have limited time with international football players and so the language barrier cannot be an issue. Then there is the passion but sometimes that also brings fear so that might be an advantage with foreign managers who would not have that. At the end English managers do not tend to be very tactical/technical. For example, just listening to the Crystal Palace manager at the end of last season and his post match interviews you can tell how he understood the tactics etc. (similar to how Klopp, Pep sometimes speak) whereas you dont get that so much with English managers. I think Steve Holland was the tactics with Southgate's good man managing and leadership.
I think Potter is different and he can speak as well as Southgate but is levels above him (and I would say Howe too) tactically. Howe in big games goes very defensive.
The 5 step plan for England to win World Cup in 2026:
- Select a tactical/technical manager e.g. Potter.
- Find a number 6/DM who can play the ball and give it between the lines i.e. Not Rice.
- Find a pacey left winger who can get goals.
- Let Palmer or similar creative player to play No10. Not sure Foden is that type of Odegaard/KDB/Fernandez type player.
- Get a GK that can play the ball. (Pickford has been good with his hands but there is a World Cup to win).
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Post by vjaska on Jul 17, 2024 11:41:25 GMT
Statistically, if you look at the history of the Euros and World Cup, only one time has the winning team had a foreign manager and that was Greece when they had the German Otto Rehagel. So having a foreign manager does not matter really. I think the key is having a manager who speaks the language clearly and passionately. You have limited time with international football players and so the language barrier cannot be an issue. Then there is the passion but sometimes that also brings fear so that might be an advantage with foreign managers who would not have that. At the end English managers do not tend to be very tactical/technical. For example, just listening to the Crystal Palace manager at the end of last season and his post match interviews you can tell how he understood the tactics etc. (similar to how Klopp, Pep sometimes speak) whereas you dont get that so much with English managers. I think Steve Holland was the tactics with Southgate's good man managing and leadership. I think Potter is different and he can speak as well as Southgate but is levels above him (and I would say Howe too) tactically. Howe in big games goes very defensive. The 5 step plan for England to win World Cup in 2026: - Select a tactical/technical manager e.g. Potter. - Find a number 6/DM who can play the ball and give it between the lines i.e. Not Rice. - Find a pacey left winger who can get goals. - Let Palmer or similar creative player to play No10. Not sure Foden is that type of Odegaard/KDB/Fernandez type player. - Get a GK that can play the ball. (Pickford has been good with his hands but there is a World Cup to win). Regarding the number 6 point, Rice did that for Arsenal (I watched him for a whole season) so you don’t need to find anything. The tactics employed by Southgate stifled him and has now led to him being judged as overrated. You also already have a keeper who can play the ball called Ramsdale - he just needs to play regularly at another club which he will given my club is looking at back up keepers. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 15, 2024 18:25:14 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Oct 17, 2024 0:28:13 GMT
Despite not being an England fan, I have to say the reaction to Tuchel being appointed is not only weird but it's actually very worrying that people are more concerned with his nationality than his credentials. I'm not the biggest fan of him due to his style of play but he is the best man available for the job in terms of credentials and I have to commend the FA for once for actually being bold and showing ambition in their managerial appointment of him. IMO, they've just taken a step closer to potentially winning the 2026 World Cup
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Post by mondraker275 on Oct 17, 2024 14:29:32 GMT
Despite not being an England fan, I have to say the reaction to Tuchel being appointed is not only weird but it's actually very worrying that people are more concerned with his nationality than his credentials. I'm not the biggest fan of him due to his style of play but he is the best man available for the job in terms of credentials and I have to commend the FA for once for actually being bold and showing ambition in their managerial appointment of him. IMO, they've just taken a step closer to potentially winning the 2026 World Cup I suspect if Pep was appointed not one person would be complaining so I think it is a combo of nationality and that Tuchel is not Pep/Klopp level. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 17, 2024 15:55:56 GMT
Despite not being an England fan, I have to say the reaction to Tuchel being appointed is not only weird but it's actually very worrying that people are more concerned with his nationality than his credentials. I'm not the biggest fan of him due to his style of play but he is the best man available for the job in terms of credentials and I have to commend the FA for once for actually being bold and showing ambition in their managerial appointment of him. IMO, they've just taken a step closer to potentially winning the 2026 World Cup I suspect if Pep was appointed not one person would be complaining so I think it is a combo of nationality and that Tuchel is not Pep/Klopp level. I suspect the reaction would have been much the same about any non English manager, just as it would in Germany about a non German manager. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 17, 2024 16:03:02 GMT
I suspect if Pep was appointed not one person would be complaining so I think it is a combo of nationality and that Tuchel is not Pep/Klopp level. I suspect the reaction would have been much the same about any non English manager, just as it would in Germany about a non German manager. But would it have been? Many countries have foreign managers, Portugal have a Spanish manager at the moment. |
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Post by Paul on Oct 20, 2024 17:20:12 GMT
I couldn’t care less that Thomas Tuchel is German - he was the best available candidate for the job. That said, the previous full time manager took us to two Euro finals and a World Cup semi final so Tuchel has a lot to live up to. Given the previous manager’s record, anything less than a trophy will be a failure for Tuchel
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