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Post by vjaska on Feb 25, 2013 0:31:46 GMT
I cant honestly imagine the 151 with SDs now. i have used the route a few times from Wallington to Sutton at different times of the day and every time an SD would have really struggled and i have seen then many times running down Rose Hill with both decks full again at different times of day. Its hard to imagine Sunday services using SDs when in some cases recently the sunday service has been unoficially DD in the cases of the 81 and 289 plus A often put DDs on the 80 and 164 no doubt due to lower freqs. Interestingly, I've used the 151 a few times at various times of day in the opposite direction and it was carrying me and about 3 other passengers. When I saw the 151 using varying ages & sizes of LDP's before the decker conversion, it was carrying pretty much fresh air as well. As soon as the deckers came, patronage picked up quite a bit.
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Post by Steve80 on Feb 25, 2013 5:36:56 GMT
Back in the 90s the 109 had one experimental heavy duty DAF single decker, a somewhat standard floor version to an Enviro300. If I remember correctly that bus was based at TH. I also believe the 118 once had a Dennis Dart on route during the daytime. The then BN route was for a while single deck at night so that its deckers could be used to convert the 137 OPO from the evenings. I think the 337 had a short one under London United/Transdev. Wasn't the 118 fully single deck on sundays as well? I remember using those single decks and vaguely remember passengers get left behind in the streatham vale area and especially at streatham common station. Surprised no one mentioned the single decks on the 139 and C2 a few years back ;D
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Post by TA1 on Feb 25, 2013 7:51:23 GMT
The 101 was another route that had low-floor single deckers on there, but like the 144 it had trouble with capacity. They lasted a surprisingly long time on the 101 though, whereas the 144 got converted back to deckers more quickly. Routes 120, 186 and 222 also had low floor single deckers. But all those routes aforementioned where allocated single deckers, the OP states route s that are meant to be allocated double deckers but often see or have seen single deckers For example: the 106 often saw SLD's & ALX200's prior to the current Omnicity operation, the 330 occasionally saw An ALX200 or two prior to the closure of Upton Park garage, the 61 is allocated long wheel based E400's but its been reported that E20D's have served the route. Am I mistaken or have I misinterpreted the whole thread..
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 25, 2013 8:34:20 GMT
Routes 120, 186 and 222 also had low floor single deckers. But all those routes aforementioned where allocated single deckers, the OP states route s that are meant to be allocated double deckers but often see or have seen single deckers For example: the 106 often saw SLD's & ALX200's prior to the current Omnicity operation, the 330 occasionally saw An ALX200 or two prior to the closure of Upton Park garage, the 61 is allocated long wheel based E400's but its been reported that E20D's have served the route. Am I mistaken or have I misinterpreted the whole thread.. 61 has been served by the following ALX 200sPlaxton PointerEnviros 200s
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Post by M1104 on Feb 25, 2013 9:57:51 GMT
Back in the 90s the 109 had one experimental heavy duty DAF single decker, a somewhat standard floor version to an Enviro300. If I remember correctly that bus was based at TH. I also believe the 118 once had a Dennis Dart on route during the daytime. The then BN route was for a while single deck at night so that its deckers could be used to convert the 137 OPO from the evenings. I think the 337 had a short one under London United/Transdev. Wasn't the 118 fully single deck on sundays as well? I remember using those single decks and vaguely remember passengers get left behind in the streatham vale area and especially at streatham common station. Surprised no one mentioned the single decks on the 139 and C2 a few years back ;D The 118 was indeed Dart operated on Sundays. I remember the 139 being single deck with Marshall bodied Darts when the route was first introduced to replace the West Hampstead section of the 159. I believe the 220 also had odd workings of Darts.
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Post by John tuthill on Feb 25, 2013 16:29:23 GMT
Back in the 90s the 109 had one experimental heavy duty DAF single decker, a somewhat standard floor version to an Enviro300. If I remember correctly that bus was based at TH. Before that, in 1970, a SMS was used from TH as an early Sunday morning OMO. I'm looking at a picture of SMS255, text says it was introduced Nov 1970, and converted to DMS March 1974. if I can put it on the page I will
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Post by M1104 on Feb 25, 2013 17:11:24 GMT
Back in the 90s the 109 had one experimental heavy duty DAF single decker, a somewhat standard floor version to an Enviro300. If I remember correctly that bus was based at TH. Before that, in 1970, a SMS was used from TH as an early Sunday morning OMO. I'm looking at a picture of SMS255, text says it was introduced Nov 1970, and converted to DMS March 1974. if I can put it on the page I will I believe SMSs also had odd workings on the 57, officially for the 200.
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Post by Trident on Feb 25, 2013 18:58:52 GMT
As bigbaddom stated, the 230 did have single deckers prior to conversion in 2004. Although some of these were used on the 69 as a result of many Tridents being loaned to Bow for the 8 due to the collapse of Transbus meaning delivery was slightly delayed. Another route that had single deckers was the 257 under First operation. Though this only lasted 10 months and by 2001 it was already converted back to double deck. As a result TNL's that were bought for the 123 were diverted to the 257 I dread to think what a disaster single-deckers on the 257 would be. No wonder the low-floor conversion of the 123 was delayed. It indeed was! Only a little kid back then, but loads of passengers would be left behind particularly from Stratford Bus Station in the evening peak. At least it's double decked now, I just hope we don't see any rediculous conversions like that again!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 19:41:01 GMT
I dread to think what a disaster single-deckers on the 257 would be. No wonder the low-floor conversion of the 123 was delayed. It indeed was! Only a little kid back then, but loads of passengers would be left behind particularly from Stratford Bus Station in the evening peak. At least it's double decked now, I just hope we don't see any rediculous conversions like that again! I see a lot of packed to the brim 69s and 257s passing through Stratford Bus Station in the evening peak so that doesn't surprise me at all!
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Post by Trident on Feb 25, 2013 20:29:55 GMT
It indeed was! Only a little kid back then, but loads of passengers would be left behind particularly from Stratford Bus Station in the evening peak. At least it's double decked now, I just hope we don't see any rediculous conversions like that again! I see a lot of packed to the brim 69s and 257s passing through Stratford Bus Station in the evening peak so that doesn't surprise me at all! Barely anyone wants to go upstairs as much of the loadings picked up at Stratford Bus Station get off at Chobham Road anyway. I am surprised though how many people use the 69 to get from Stratford to Leyton, when either using a 158 or walking across the footbridge and taking a 97 is much quicker.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 25, 2013 20:38:35 GMT
I dread to think what a disaster single-deckers on the 257 would be. No wonder the low-floor conversion of the 123 was delayed. It indeed was! Only a little kid back then, but loads of passengers would be left behind particularly from Stratford Bus Station in the evening peak. At least it's double decked now, I just hope we don't see any rediculous conversions like that again! Well yes it was daft but there were plenty of similar nonsenses - local to me were the 34 and 212 with Darts. Trying to squash on to the 34 in the peaks when run by County Bus was awful. These days a single decker on the 34 couldn't cope with Sunday loadings never mind weekday ones. The 212 took an inordinate time to convert to double deck - god knows why when people had their noses against the windscreen when leaving Walthamstow and buses were so full in the AM peak you couldn't board buses on Fulbourne Road. It would only have taken a few days of observations for TfL to be confident that double deck conversion was essential. Having just been to Liverpool what was interesting was the huge amount of single deckers in use in what, 25 years ago, was a double decker city. I only saw a small glimpse of the PM peak but many single decks were full and standing leaving the City Centre even on routes with very high (every 3-5 mins) frequencies. It struck me as a bit mad when double deckers would offer more capacity probably with fewer buses with only a slight reduction in frequency. Perhaps continuing to use single deckers allows the bus companies to create the illusion of "full buses" when in the past they would have been running full double deckers just as frequently? It still seems odd that TfL still have something of a "phobia" or reluctance to convert routes to double deckers (where practical & justified), especially as there has been a consistent surplus of TfL spec double deckers for many months.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 20:41:37 GMT
Routes 120, 186 and 222 also had low floor single deckers. But all those routes aforementioned where allocated single deckers, the OP states route s that are meant to be allocated double deckers but often see or have seen single deckers For example: the 106 often saw SLD's & ALX200's prior to the current Omnicity operation, the 330 occasionally saw An ALX200 or two prior to the closure of Upton Park garage, the 61 is allocated long wheel based E400's but its been reported that E20D's have served the route. Am I mistaken or have I misinterpreted the whole thread.. Yep, it was hard to believe at the fact that the 106 was Dennis Dart Pointer I operated at the time during the late 90s early 2000s. Since that time the 106 was only operating to Stoke Newington - Whitechapel Station.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 20:44:15 GMT
It indeed was! Only a little kid back then, but loads of passengers would be left behind particularly from Stratford Bus Station in the evening peak. At least it's double decked now, I just hope we don't see any rediculous conversions like that again! Well yes it was daft but there were plenty of similar nonsenses - local to me were the 34 and 212 with Darts. Trying to squash on to the 34 in the peaks when run by County Bus was awful. These days a single decker on the 34 couldn't cope with Sunday loadings never mind weekday ones. The 212 took an inordinate time to convert to double deck - god knows why when people had their noses against the windscreen when leaving Walthamstow and buses were so full in the AM peak you couldn't board buses on Fulbourne Road. It would only have taken a few days of observations for TfL to be confident that double deck conversion was essential. Having just been to Liverpool what was interesting was the huge amount of single deckers in use in what, 25 years ago, was a double decker city. I only saw a small glimpse of the PM peak but many single decks were full and standing leaving the City Centre even on routes with very high (every 3-5 mins) frequencies. It struck me as a bit mad when double deckers would offer more capacity probably with fewer buses with only a slight reduction in frequency. Perhaps continuing to use single deckers allows the bus companies to create the illusion of "full buses" when in the past they would have been running full double deckers just as frequently? It still seems odd that TfL still have something of a "phobia" or reluctance to convert routes to double deckers (where practical & justified), especially as there has been a consistent surplus of TfL spec double deckers for many months. It does strike me as very odd. There's a huge number of routes perfectly ripe for double deck conversion yet are lumped with single deckers over and over again. The 126 is one of them, the D8 is another (I'm aware there's issues around Stratford City but nonetheless the route could be diverted somehow). The 407 can get very packed, as can the 202, etc. What's even more odd in the case of the 202 is that when new buses were delayed, there were Omnidekkas used temporarily on the route which worked much better!
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Post by mondraker275 on Feb 25, 2013 20:47:04 GMT
I see a lot of packed to the brim 69s and 257s passing through Stratford Bus Station in the evening peak so that doesn't surprise me at all! Barely anyone wants to go upstairs as much of the loadings picked up at Stratford Bus Station get off at Chobham Road anyway. I am surprised though how many people use the 69 to get from Stratford to Leyton, when either using a 158 or walking across the footbridge and taking a 97 is much quicker. Personally, I pray for a 308, and zoom past all of them! The last few posts have brought back memories. I used to take the 230 and 212 single deck combo to school Ahhhh!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 20:58:44 GMT
But all those routes aforementioned where allocated single deckers, the OP states route s that are meant to be allocated double deckers but often see or have seen single deckers For example: the 106 often saw SLD's & ALX200's prior to the current Omnicity operation, the 330 occasionally saw An ALX200 or two prior to the closure of Upton Park garage, the 61 is allocated long wheel based E400's but its been reported that E20D's have served the route. Am I mistaken or have I misinterpreted the whole thread.. Yep, it was hard to believe at the fact that the 106 was Dennis Dart Pointer I operated at the time during the late 90s early 2000s. Since that time the 106 was only operating to Stoke Newington - Whitechapel Station. The patronage at the southern end is very light, and the patronage at the northern end is largely taken away by the 253 and 254. I suppose the PVR reduction on contract renewal reflects this, but it probably would be plausible to run the route with single deckers (not that you'd want another 393 situation going on in that area!)
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