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Post by WH241 on Jun 20, 2024 8:27:17 GMT
I could be well wrong but guessing the H98 is one of the final routes to convert to LTs? Doubt there are many enough for other routes to convert? I'm still speculating the 61 will convert using the LTs off the SL3, especially seeing the 422 tender result yesterday I have a feeling that the 63-reg E40Ds currently at TB are the buses planned for this and so the LTs can free them up from the 61. To be honest I think the LTs just received the latest TB blind sets and that’s probably the only reason they have the 61 on them. I don’t think they probably thought that far ahead when the SL3 was awarded using LTs. I could of course be wrong. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 20, 2024 8:31:54 GMT
I'm still speculating the 61 will convert using the LTs off the SL3, especially seeing the 422 tender result yesterday I have a feeling that the 63-reg E40Ds currently at TB are the buses planned for this and so the LTs can free them up from the 61. If the SL3 LTs are as unreliable as reported I don't think Stagecoach will want to keep them. Shove them all back to where they came from. If 61 & 261 both go Electric at the same time in 2025 I wouldn’t be surprised. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 29, 2024 5:50:13 GMT
I could be well wrong but guessing the H98 is one of the final routes to convert to LTs? Doubt there are many enough for other routes to convert? There will still be the batch on route S3 released when it goes electric. So, maybe another route such as route 61, itself at TB? |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jun 29, 2024 7:17:52 GMT
I could be well wrong but guessing the H98 is one of the final routes to convert to LTs? Doubt there are many enough for other routes to convert? There will still be the batch on route S3 released when it goes electric. So, maybe another route such as route 61, itself at TB? I assume you mean 133 or SL3, S3 is a 9m single door route! |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 29, 2024 7:28:50 GMT
There will still be the batch on route S3 released when it goes electric. So, maybe another route such as route 61, itself at TB? I assume you mean 133 or SL3, S3 is a 9m single door route! Yes, SL3. I usually sleep less on Saturday mornings in anticipation of my big bus catch-up  |
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Post by COBO on Jun 30, 2024 22:56:05 GMT
How comes there as much LT movement between operators anymore? Like example when a route moves that uses lts moves from one operator to another they use the lts at the new operators instead of taking its LTs with it like when the 9 went to Metroline and when the 211 moved to Transport.
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Post by yunus on Aug 17, 2024 23:06:17 GMT
If LTs will be gone when the whole fleet converts to EV then why are TFL investing on cameras to replace the standard wing mirrors?
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Post by ibus246 on Aug 17, 2024 23:11:36 GMT
If LTs will be gone when the whole fleet converts to EV then why are TFL investing on cameras to replace the standard wing mirrors? Exactly. The only thing TfL are good at is wasting other people’s money. When the LTs are sold I sense very little interest on anyone provisionally buying them (most provinces prefer 1 door) and assume they’ll be sold for scrap! |
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 17, 2024 23:59:16 GMT
If LTs will be gone when the whole fleet converts to EV then why are TFL investing on cameras to replace the standard wing mirrors? Exactly. The only thing TfL are good at is wasting other people’s money. When the LTs are sold I sense very little interest on anyone provisionally buying them (most provinces prefer 1 door) and assume they’ll be sold for scrap! Whilst tfl do like wasting our money , I feel like they will retrofit the LTs to electric if not all a fair few , original RM's lasted 50 odd years on the road no reason a LT couldn't if looked after properly . |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 18, 2024 2:08:10 GMT
Exactly. The only thing TfL are good at is wasting other people’s money. When the LTs are sold I sense very little interest on anyone provisionally buying them (most provinces prefer 1 door) and assume they’ll be sold for scrap! Whilst tfl do like wasting our money , I feel like they will retrofit the LTs to electric if not all a fair few , original RM's lasted 50 odd years on the road no reason a LT couldn't if looked after properly . LT11's electric trial has been a flop given it spends more time off the road than on so I can't see them converting to electric in all honesty. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 18, 2024 5:26:02 GMT
If LTs will be gone when the whole fleet converts to EV then why are TFL investing on cameras to replace the standard wing mirrors? They'll still be around for a while yet and may be converted to electric operation. |
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 18, 2024 7:57:28 GMT
If LTs will be gone when the whole fleet converts to EV then why are TFL investing on cameras to replace the standard wing mirrors? The cameras are safer - improved bus safety standards (with clearly defined targets) is part of TfL's mission and an agreed element of its funding settlement. Also the LTs are not being withdrawn en-masse just yet, and some could still be around in 2030. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 9:04:38 GMT
Although LT11 has been a complete flop, I do see TFL retrofitting a few likely later builds to electric operation because to them, those LTs are iconic for London and I can't see them getting rid of them in just 6 years. TUK is currently retrofitting 2618 and if that's a success (or even a partial one), I could see 60 or so LTs being converted for 2-3 central London routes. Due to the sheer size of LTs owned by TFL, it wouldn't be surprised to have a large number of spares.
I predict most will be sold for scrap because let's face it, no company outside London will buy them. They are too non-standard.
Btw; when will see the first batch of LTs being withdrawn from TFL service?
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Post by TB123 on Aug 18, 2024 11:19:32 GMT
Although LT11 has been a complete flop, I do see TFL retrofitting a few likely later builds to electric operation because to them, those LTs are iconic for London and I can't see them getting rid of them in just 6 years. TUK is currently retrofitting 2618 and if that's a success (or even a partial one), I could see 60 or so LTs being converted for 2-3 central London routes. Due to the sheer size of LTs owned by TFL, it wouldn't be surprised to have a large number of spares. I predict most will be sold for scrap because let's face it, no company outside London will buy them. They are too non-standard. Btw; when will see the first batch of LTs being withdrawn from TFL service? My prediction is the 8 and or 24 will be the first routes to see their LT batches withdrawn in 2026. I wonder if there’ll be a big shift around so earlier models are allocated to routes (if not already) finishing up in 2026/27, such as the 8, 24, 148, 159 to name but a few |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Aug 18, 2024 12:50:49 GMT
Although LT11 has been a complete flop, I do see TFL retrofitting a few likely later builds to electric operation because to them, those LTs are iconic for London and I can't see them getting rid of them in just 6 years. TUK is currently retrofitting 2618 and if that's a success (or even a partial one), I could see 60 or so LTs being converted for 2-3 central London routes. Due to the sheer size of LTs owned by TFL, it wouldn't be surprised to have a large number of spares. I predict most will be sold for scrap because let's face it, no company outside London will buy them. They are too non-standard. Btw; when will see the first batch of LTs being withdrawn from TFL service? My prediction is the 8 and or 24 will be the first routes to see their LT batches withdrawn in 2026. I wonder if there’ll be a big shift around so earlier models are allocated to routes (if not already) finishing up in 2026/27, such as the 8, 24, 148, 159 to name but a few If the 313 contract is not extended, the 24, 27, 267 and 313 all finish on the 6th of November 2026. I predict that this day will be the first upon which planned withdrawals of LTs take place. The 24 and 313 LTs will probably be the ones that get withdrawn, but I'm kind of expecting the 267 to be electrified over the 24, with the LT9xx going to the 68 and the 68s vehicles to the 24. I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if the 24 and 267 both electrified. I think the 8 and 205 will both retain their existing vehicles on a three or four year contract, with BW being electrified for all four routes at once (or within a year of one another). |
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