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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 31, 2023 14:37:19 GMT
Weekend night routes are not much help for commuters on the other nights. Controversial I know but the weekend routes were a nice luxury but probably something we can live without. As I said previously we have the night tube now and more Ubers than anything so people can get around much easier than previously at night. Ubers are expensive and some people cannot afford to take ubers on a regular basis, unless their company pays for their ubers Weekend night routes are not intended for regular users, the only two routes from that exercise in 2015(?) that were intended for regular use were the 222 and 238 and both of them are still operating as a result. Weekend night routes are aimed at feeding in passengers who have been in Central London having a weekend out and are designed to feed in from the weekend tube services. None of these passengers should be regular basis passengers, and if they are the sorts to go and party every weekend they will have the funds available. If you can spend £35 on a Vodka Lemonade or a Pornstar Martini at a Central London club you can afford the Uber home from the station. |
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 31, 2023 18:23:17 GMT
Ubers are expensive and some people cannot afford to take ubers on a regular basis, unless their company pays for their ubers Weekend night routes are not intended for regular users, the only two routes from that exercise in 2015(?) that were intended for regular use were the 222 and 238 and both of them are still operating as a result. Weekend night routes are aimed at feeding in passengers who have been in Central London having a weekend out and are designed to feed in from the weekend tube services. None of these passengers should be regular basis passengers, and if they are the sorts to go and party every weekend they will have the funds available. If you can spend £35 on a Vodka Lemonade or a Pornstar Martini at a Central London club you can afford the Uber home from the station. Yes, it was September 12th 2015 that the 222, 238 and 47 were given 24 hour status. On the same date, all buses served Canada Water bus station between 01:00 and 05:00 and the N133 was extended to Morden from Mitcham. |
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Post by cardinal on Mar 31, 2023 21:52:19 GMT
There might be people who commute into central London who don't have use of a car, and do night shifts. But I'd say in general there wouldn't be much demand for a night route but it's inconvenient for those who need it. At the very least the N114 should come back and be extended to Uxbridge or an N278 would be a simpler cross Hillingdon link at night Night shifts generally are probably between 10pm and 5 to 6am. Again would be there so much demand for night shift workers. Even 7am starters are accommodated by most routes starting between 5 and 5.30am. I work nights but I don’t use night buses when I’m on nights. It’s the early starts that I need a night bus. National rail is pretty useless before 6am. Most tube lines won’t get you into Central London much before 6am either (except night tube at weekends). So it’s night buses for many. And those who are working from 6am or earlier are public sector or low paid workers. Many can’t afford to live near Central London which is why we need night routes operating to the edge of London, preferably over it to places like Dartford , Staines, Watford etc. |
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Post by britishguy54 on Sept 30, 2023 12:52:53 GMT
66 would provide a great link from the central line stations to Romford. That’s a good idea. And since other areas lack a night route, let’s create the N66. It could serve Leytonstone, Redbridge, Newbury Park, and Romford like the 66, before following another route (let’s say the 248 or 370) towards Hornchurch and Upminster. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 30, 2023 16:23:53 GMT
66 would provide a great link from the central line stations to Romford. That’s a good idea. And since other areas lack a night route, let’s create the N66. It could serve Leytonstone, Redbridge, Newbury Park, and Romford like the 66, before following another route (let’s say the 248 or 370) towards Hornchurch and Upminster. If not, a night service on the 296 would be useful at weekends, linking to the Central Line night tube at Gants Hill and Newbury Park, for passengers going towards Ilford/Romford? |
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Post by britishguy54 on Sept 30, 2023 16:59:02 GMT
That’s a good idea. And since other areas lack a night route, let’s create the N66. It could serve Leytonstone, Redbridge, Newbury Park, and Romford like the 66, before following another route (let’s say the 248 or 370) towards Hornchurch and Upminster. If not, a night service on the 296 would be useful at weekends, linking to the Central Line night tube at Gants Hill and Newbury Park, for passengers going towards Ilford/Romford? I know the 296 already serves parts of the Central Line and Ilford and Romford on weekends, but either an extension of that, or the N66 may help fill network holes in East London. It is easier than messing around with existing routes like the 365 or N86. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 30, 2023 20:43:14 GMT
N1 - reroute to Russell Square. Because the 188 doesn't serve go there anymore, there isn't any link from Russell Square to Canada Water and Greenwich at night
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Post by abellion on Sept 30, 2023 21:01:55 GMT
N1 - reroute to Russell Square. Because the 188 doesn't serve go there anymore, there isn't any link from Russell Square to Canada Water and Greenwich at night I agree but don’t see what Canada Water and Greenwich have to do with it. Elephant & Castle has nothing overnight towards Russell Square or Euston but the 176, 188, N1, N68 and N171 to TCR! |
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Post by rift on Sept 30, 2023 21:04:34 GMT
N1 - reroute to Russell Square. Because the 188 doesn't serve go there anymore, there isn't any link from Russell Square to Canada Water and Greenwich at night I don’t see much demand from Greenwich to Russell Square at night, apart from the two universities there. If anything, this would break the link between Woolwich, Plumstead and Thamesmead to the West End at night, unless something like the N53 is extended to Oxford Circus or somewhere around the area. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 30, 2023 21:17:48 GMT
N1 - reroute to Russell Square. Because the 188 doesn't serve go there anymore, there isn't any link from Russell Square to Canada Water and Greenwich at night I agree but don’t see what Canada Water and Greenwich have to do with it. Elephant & Castle has nothing overnight towards Russell Square or Euston but the 176, 188, N1, N68 and N171 to TCR! To be fair though the TCR area is a hub for nightlife. There isn’t really any nightlife around Russell Square or Euston. Besides if you were at Euston you could just take an N91 to connect to many of those routes in Holborn or Aldwych. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 30, 2023 21:29:39 GMT
N1 - reroute to Russell Square. Because the 188 doesn't serve go there anymore, there isn't any link from Russell Square to Canada Water and Greenwich at night Really? I can’t see there being a huge demand from Russell Square at night and even if there was people can use the N91 and change as necessary! Edit : sorry seen my post is similar to what others have said about the need for the night link. |
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Post by redexpress on Sept 30, 2023 22:09:03 GMT
N1 - reroute to Russell Square. Because the 188 doesn't serve go there anymore, there isn't any link from Russell Square to Canada Water and Greenwich at night I don’t see much demand from Greenwich to Russell Square at night, apart from the two universities there. If anything, this would break the link between Woolwich, Plumstead and Thamesmead to the West End at night, unless something like the N53 is extended to Oxford Circus or somewhere around the area. Not because of Russell Square itself but I've long thought that the Elephant - Aldwych - Camden corridor would easily justify a night service. I was living in the area when the night bus network was being expanded in the 2000s and always thought there was a missed opportunity there. In fact I've suggested extending the (N)188 to Camden Town in the past, as a cheaper alternative to a 24-hour 168. |
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 30, 2023 23:31:38 GMT
I don’t see much demand from Greenwich to Russell Square at night, apart from the two universities there. If anything, this would break the link between Woolwich, Plumstead and Thamesmead to the West End at night, unless something like the N53 is extended to Oxford Circus or somewhere around the area. Not because of Russell Square itself but I've long thought that the Elephant - Aldwych - Camden corridor would easily justify a night service. I was living in the area when the night bus network was being expanded in the 2000s and always thought there was a missed opportunity there. In fact I've suggested extending the (N)188 to Camden Town in the past, as a cheaper alternative to a 24-hour 168. I assume data from last buses will eventually justify a night service over the new 1's routing in time, but making the 1 24 hours is the easy bit. The harder bit would be renumbering (and possibly restructuring) the N1. Given the recent Crossrail changes to the 180, it may be hard to justify using the number N180. The other idea is to call it N177, but still keeping the N1's routing will be somewhat confusing west of Greenwich town centre and around Abbey Wood. One thing I'll hedge bets on, a Camden to Canada Water night route in some capacity will come into existence sometime in the future. |
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Post by abellion on Oct 1, 2023 7:24:09 GMT
I agree but don’t see what Canada Water and Greenwich have to do with it. Elephant & Castle has nothing overnight towards Russell Square or Euston but the 176, 188, N1, N68 and N171 to TCR! To be fair though the TCR area is a hub for nightlife. There isn’t really any nightlife around Russell Square or Euston. Besides if you were at Euston you could just take an N91 to connect to many of those routes in Holborn or Aldwych. But is the demand high enough at TCR for 4 of the current 5 options to be following each other for that long overnight whilst down the road towards Euston has no link with just the x30 N91? Seems to be polarising whether or not that connection is needed though. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 15, 2023 10:41:31 GMT
N7 - extension to either Northwood station or Mount Vernon Hospital via day route 282. To give Eastcote, Northwood Hills and Northwood a night route.
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