Boil boil boil in a bus gently down the road.

[snoggle]

An interesting Mayor's Question and Answer about everyone's favourite overheating bus.

New Bus
for
London
windows
Question
No:
2015/1697

Darren
Johnson

I
have
received
complaints
from
constituents
about
high
temperatures
on
New
Bus
for
London
vehicles.
Has
TfL
undertaken
any
assessment
of
the
cost
of
retrofitting
these
buses
with
fully functional
opening
windows?
If
not,
will
you
ask
them
to
do
so?


The
Mayor



The
New
Routemaster
is
fitted
with
an
air
cooling
system
that
is
designed
to
work
with
closed windows.
Assurance
checks
were
conducted
during
warmer
days
last
summer
and
the
system
was
found
to
be
at
least
as
effective
at
improving
comfort
in
the
upper
deck
as
conventional
double
deck
buses
with
similar
systems
and
opening
windows.


TfL
continues
to
look
at
modifications
and
technologies
that
might
provide
bus
passengers
with
greater
comfort
during
spells
of
warmer
weather.
Some
current
trial
initiatives
include
improving
ventilation
on
buses
on
route
73
and
overlaying
solar
reflective
film
on
top
of
windows
to
see
what
the
potential
impacts
on
heat
gain
might
be.


TfL
is
satisfied
that
the
current
air
cooling
systems
work
as
designed,
and
can
be
complemented
rather
than
undermined
by
other
changes.


It
would
not
be
desirable
to
make
air
cooling
units
work
harder
to
nullify
the
effects
of
warmer
air
entering
the
bus
through
opening
windows.
For
this
reason,
there
has
been
no
assessment
of
costs
for
retrofitting
buses
with
windows.


Noteworthy that mods are apparently being trialled on route 73. If they were on the NB4L I had to use the other night then they weren't working! I've just been on a Volvo B5 on the 212 and the upper deck was lovely and cool and you could feel the cool air coming out of the vents (only 1 window was open). If Wrights can make a Gemini 3 work why not the NB4L? Also noteworthy that apparently TfL have not evaluated fitting the NB4L with *windows*. Nice to see TfL have fallen into the trap so many people on Twitter fall into when they demand "windows" on the NB4L rather than "opening windows".

[ServerKing]

Jun 23, 2015 17:01:55 GMT snoggle said:

An interesting Mayor's Question and Answer about everyone's favourite overheating bus.

New Bus
for
London
windows
Question
No:
2015/1697

Darren
Johnson

I
have
received
complaints
from
constituents
about
high
temperatures
on
New
Bus
for
London
vehicles.
Has
TfL
undertaken
any
assessment
of
the
cost
of
retrofitting
these
buses
with
fully functional
opening
windows?
If
not,
will
you
ask
them
to
do
so?


The
Mayor



The
New
Routemaster
is
fitted
with
an
air
cooling
system
that
is
designed
to
work
with
closed windows.
Assurance
checks
were
conducted
during
warmer
days
last
summer
and
the
system
was
found
to
be
at
least
as
effective
at

I wonder who 'assured' him that everything was fine? It's one thing 'testing' the bus on gentle lanes in Northern Ireland where you'd be lucky to see 15 degC, another thing standing in traffic in the centre of London
on a hot day like today

[John tuthill]

Jun 27, 2015 17:34:17 GMT ServerKing said:

Jun 23, 2015 17:01:55 GMT snoggle said:

An interesting Mayor's Question and Answer about everyone's favourite overheating bus.

New Bus
for
London
windows
Question
No:
2015/1697

Darren
Johnson

I
have
received
complaints
from
constituents
about
high
temperatures
on
New
Bus
for
London
vehicles.
Has
TfL
undertaken
any
assessment
of
the
cost
of
retrofitting
these
buses
with
fully functional
opening
windows?
If
not,
will
you
ask
them
to
do
so?


The
Mayor



The
New
Routemaster
is
fitted
with
an
air
cooling
system
that
is
designed
to
work
with
closed windows.
Assurance
checks
were
conducted
during
warmer
days
last
summer
and
the
system
was
found
to
be
at
least
as
effective
at

I wonder who 'assured' him that everything was fine? It's one thing 'testing' the bus on gentle lanes in Northern Ireland where you'd be lucky to see 15 degC, another thing standing in traffic in the centre of London
on a hot day like today

Some sycophant probably.

[snoggle]

I have so far resisted the temptation to share the increasing number of tweets about the NB4L and heat but this is one of the funniest so far so I couldn't resist.

[rambo]

Just shows how cr*p TFL and the operators are, how on earth was the NBFL passed fit for service?
Brown envelopes.

[sid]

Jun 30, 2015 19:23:07 GMT rambo said:

Just shows how cr*p TFL and the operators are, how on earth was the NBFL passed fit for service?
Brown envelopes.

Well I can only repeat that the ones I've been on recently have been fine...........I don't think there will be any brown envolopes unless Sepp Blatter takes over the reigns at TfL

[vjaska]

Jun 30, 2015 19:32:45 GMT sid said:

Jun 30, 2015 19:23:07 GMT rambo said:

Just shows how cr*p TFL and the operators are, how on earth was the NBFL passed fit for service?
Brown envelopes.

Well I can only repeat that the ones I've been on recently have been fine...........I don't think there will be any brown envolopes unless Sepp Blatter takes over the reigns at TfL

Lucky you - I've had just one with any air coming out at all and sadly it was hot air.

[romfordbuses]

See, It's all fine!

[sid]

Jun 30, 2015 20:48:27 GMT vjaska said:

Jun 30, 2015 19:32:45 GMT sid said:

Well I can only repeat that the ones I've been on recently have been fine...........I don't think there will be any brown envolopes unless Sepp Blatter takes over the reigns at TfL

Lucky you - I've had just one with any air coming out at all and sadly it was hot air.

Well I'm sure they are not all perfect but what buses are? There are two reports on here of equally hot E40H's today

[Deleted]

I think it's unfair to suggest that all NBFLs have air con problems, from my experiences only the early batches have serious problems. Scanias have worse air con than LTs, and many old buses do not even have air con.

[LX09FBJ]

To be fair though everything I travelled on was fairly hot

Abellio 8532 was OK though that has no cooling equipment etc.

London United VH29 was the coolest bus in travelled on today, despite the cooler not being on full blast.

London United VH35 was surprisingly warm for a non-NB4L Wrightbus and SP102 was also quite warm as well though both has opening windows so it wasn't torturous.

The best bus in this weather has to be SP183

Still nothing beats the Insignia Express...*

*^{although strictly speaking that's not a bus}

[Deleted]

Boil boil boil in a bus gently down the road, if ya take an NB4L make sure ya don't EXPLODE (with a hot flaaaash...)

[ServerKing]

Jun 30, 2015 22:12:16 GMT @aechha1 said:

Boil boil boil in a bus gently down the road, if ya take an NB4L make sure ya don't EXPLODE (with a hot flaaaash...)

Just Add Sunshine!


Perfect Every Time

[Deleted]

I think the issue is not the fact that other buses are hot but how expensive these were and how long it took them to get them and also the "testing" plus how expensive it was too build with money being wasted for these yet no air con considering the fact that London is known for unpredectible weather (even though we like to build it out proportion though).

[smoothcriminal]

I don't understand people saying we dont need aircon because it's only hot for the odd day here and there.

Air con is great for times even when it's not overly hot it makes the whole trip much more comfortable.

I don't see why single decks haven't got full size aircon units to be honest.