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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 24, 2016 0:57:30 GMT
The Bakerloo line is my favourite line with the best trains , no matter their condition. When they were new they were my favourites too! I think the Bakerloo has been reported as the quietest Undergroud line as a whole. So this may contribute to why it is destined to be the last to receive new rolling stock. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 6:34:32 GMT
The Bakerloo line is my favourite line with the best trains , no matter their condition. When they were new they were my favourites too! I think the Bakerloo has been reported as the quietest Undergroud line as a whole. So this may contribute to why it is destined to be the last to receive new rolling stock. Could be I suppose. I like it also because of the architecture of the NW London stations as well as serving Marylebone which is by far the nicest mainline station in London. |
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Post by TA1 on Apr 24, 2016 7:10:39 GMT
When they were new they were my favourites too! I think the Bakerloo has been reported as the quietest Undergroud line as a whole. So this may contribute to why it is destined to be the last to receive new rolling stock. Could be I suppose. I like it also because of the architecture of the NW London stations as well as serving Marylebone which is by far the nicest mainline station in London. I'm with you, i love the 72mkII stock regardless of the condition. The life extension works are a bonus as The newer bombardier (movia) stock has no real character. Which is why i adore our 313's & 317's. |
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Post by rmz19 on Apr 24, 2016 11:41:03 GMT
The Bakerloo line is my favourite line with the best trains , no matter their condition. When they were new they were my favourites too! I think the Bakerloo has been reported as the quietest Undergroud line as a whole. So this may contribute to why it is destined to be the last to receive new rolling stock. The Bakerloo Line may be relatively less busy than other lines with an annual ridership of 112k, but it's still considerably busy nonetheless. Although now that Paddington is temporarily closed, I suppose this can be more easily justified...for now  |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 24, 2016 13:50:58 GMT
When they were new they were my favourites too! I think the Bakerloo has been reported as the quietest Undergroud line as a whole. So this may contribute to why it is destined to be the last to receive new rolling stock. The Bakerloo Line may be relatively less busy than other lines with an annual ridership of 112k, but it's still considerably busy nonetheless. Although now that Paddington is temporarily closed, I suppose this can be more easily justified...for now  Surely that's understated by a factor of at least 1,000 and possibly more than that? If you have 3.5m-4.0m pass jnys per day on the tube network the Bakerloo Line would have to only run for 1/2 of one day a week to have a figure as low as yours.  I've tried to find line level annual ridership numbers for the Tube but can't find them in any TfL document. |
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Post by Hassaan on Apr 24, 2016 15:13:36 GMT
I'm afraid I won't miss the 72ts. The ride quality is absolutely atrocious, they feel very unstable even at quite low speeds. I honestly think the much hated "Pacer" DMUs ride better (not forgetting that Network Rail track usually appears to be maintained to a higher standard than LUL track). I find that 1990s onwards LUL stock rides better than the older stuff, a good comparison is D Stock vs S Stock on the District Line (although I guess 73ts vs S Stock on the Uxbridge branch is a good one too, but I've never been on the 73ts down there).
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Post by vjaska on Apr 24, 2016 17:39:53 GMT
I'm afraid I won't miss the 72ts. The ride quality is absolutely atrocious, they feel very unstable even at quite low speeds. I honestly think the much hated "Pacer" DMUs ride better (not forgetting that Network Rail track usually appears to be maintained to a higher standard than LUL track). I find that 1990s onwards LUL stock rides better than the older stuff, a good comparison is D Stock vs S Stock on the District Line (although I guess 73ts vs S Stock on the Uxbridge branch is a good one too, but I've never been on the 73ts down there). I'm not a massive fan of the D stock TBH - I find them extremely dull unlike the C stock which I thought sounded more interesting. I do like they have openable windows though. The S stock are far more interesting and so much nicer to ride. I'm also no fan of the 73 stock either - I find them really uncomfortable and they've not aged well at all. |
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Post by rmz19 on Apr 24, 2016 18:38:32 GMT
I'm afraid I won't miss the 72ts. The ride quality is absolutely atrocious, they feel very unstable even at quite low speeds. I honestly think the much hated "Pacer" DMUs ride better (not forgetting that Network Rail track usually appears to be maintained to a higher standard than LUL track). I find that 1990s onwards LUL stock rides better than the older stuff, a good comparison is D Stock vs S Stock on the District Line (although I guess 73ts vs S Stock on the Uxbridge branch is a good one too, but I've never been on the 73ts down there). I'm not a massive fan of the D stock TBH - I find them extremely dull unlike the C stock which I thought sounded more interesting. I do like they have openable windows though. The S stock are far more interesting and so much nicer to ride. I'm also no fan of the 73 stock either - I find them really uncomfortable and they've not aged well at all. In my opinion both the 72 and D stock are great. The ride quality of the former is very good for its age, it's the condition of the tracks which needs attention, the 72 stock is otherwise smooth on newer tracks and this is evident on some sections along the Bakerloo Line. I really like the D stock too, its ride quality is notably smoother than other stock during the time it was introduced apparently due to some sort of suspension which enables for a relatively softer ride. |
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Post by rmz19 on Apr 24, 2016 18:45:52 GMT
The Bakerloo Line may be relatively less busy than other lines with an annual ridership of 112k, but it's still considerably busy nonetheless. Although now that Paddington is temporarily closed, I suppose this can be more easily justified...for now Surely that's understated by a factor of at least 1,000 and possibly more than that? If you have 3.5m-4.0m pass jnys per day on the tube network the Bakerloo Line would have to only run for 1/2 of one day a week to have a figure as low as yours. I've tried to find line level annual ridership numbers for the Tube but can't find them in any TfL document. Actually the most recent Bakerloo Line ridership figure I could find reflects 2011/12, which is 111k. I increased it by a 1000 so as to reflect the present, just to be on the safe side  |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 24, 2016 19:30:22 GMT
I'm not a massive fan of the D stock TBH - I find them extremely dull unlike the C stock which I thought sounded more interesting. I do like they have openable windows though. The S stock are far more interesting and so much nicer to ride. I'm also no fan of the 73 stock either - I find them really uncomfortable and they've not aged well at all. In my opinion both the 72 and D stock are great. The ride quality of the former is very good for its age, it's the condition of the tracks which needs attention, the 72 stock is otherwise smooth on newer tracks and this is evident on some sections along the Bakerloo Line. I really like the D stock too, its ride quality is notably smoother than other stock during the time it was introduced apparently due to some sort of suspension which enables for a relatively softer ride. The 72 stock on the Bakerloo are indeed nice - the 60's interior styling looks quite groovy, they sound decent & I personally find the seats on them to be as comfortable as on a S stock. It's the 73 stock on the Piccadilly that I just can't stand at all. |
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Post by M1199 on Apr 24, 2016 19:47:20 GMT
I'm afraid I won't miss the 72ts. The ride quality is absolutely atrocious, they feel very unstable even at quite low speeds. I honestly think the much hated "Pacer" DMUs ride better (not forgetting that Network Rail track usually appears to be maintained to a higher standard than LUL track). I find that 1990s onwards LUL stock rides better than the older stuff, a good comparison is D Stock vs S Stock on the District Line (although I guess 73ts vs S Stock on the Uxbridge branch is a good one too, but I've never been on the 73ts down there). I'm not a massive fan of the D stock TBH - I find them extremely dull unlike the C stock which I thought sounded more interesting. I do like they have openable windows though. The S stock are far more interesting and so much nicer to ride. I'm also no fan of the 73 stock either - I find them really uncomfortable and they've not aged well at all. The A Stock will forever be my favourite tube stock, up until 2012, other than its refurbishment, it was the only thing not to of changed from my childhood, saw family, friends, shops, buses and cars come and go, but the A Stock was always there! Since the A's went, my favourite stock has been the 72ts, to me, if someone was to ask you what a tube train was, the 72ts (as well as the 67ts) would be the first image in my head. I think, despite being refurbished, they're the last of that period from the late 80'/early 90's where the Underground was getting very run down, dirty and grimy, has that nostalgic feel to them! The C Stock is an odd one, ugly, slow brutes and I never really had much interest in them until there latter years, loved the sound of their motors! As for S Stock, Hate them! Uncomfortable seats, annoying DVA and a stupid poxy Air Con system that screws my eyes up! I avoid them wherever possible now! For years, I'd always favour the Met over the GWR to get into town, since the A Stock has gone, I'd rather head into town on a GWR Class165/166 (I know the 166's have air con, but it's so bad, it doesn't affect my eyes!) |
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Post by M1104 on Apr 25, 2016 8:58:48 GMT
I've always loved the 72 stock from as early as I can remember on the Northern Line when they ran alongside the 38 stock; brighter, big eyes headlights and that motor which sounds like Kirk's NCC 1701 Enterprise....with a bit of a soft whine that sounds with it. Also love that you can still hear the noise when the train is decelerating to a stop, unlike the previous 38/59/62 stock where at that stage the motors are as silent as the New York subway stock. Upon moving off i love that 'click-clonk....Der Der der der' noise it makes as the driver engages the dead man's handle to move off...as well as the air pressure pump noise that occasionally sounds. Was also glad that the doors still made that 'tonk!' noise just before closing.
There were so many characteristics of the 72 stock that i just loved.
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Post by snowman on Apr 25, 2016 20:06:55 GMT
The good thing about this stock is it was simple and basically an existing design.
It was basically another version of the Victoria line 1967 train design, built to 7 cars (rather than 8 cars of 1967) and the UNDM even had control equipment salvaged from withdrawn 1938 stock. So parts of some may be 70+ years old.
The first 30 went to Northern line (which needed 109 trains for 95 train service) and was due to get 79 trains of 1956-59 stock from Piccadilly, hence 30 extra.
It was then realised that MetroCamell wouldn't have any work and might potentially shut the production line before the new design for Piccadilly line design was ready, so GLC authorised 33 trains on 17th Nov 1971 (so approaching 45 years old from authorisation). The original idea was that they would be used as a stopgap design for stage 1 of fleet line (which became Jubilee line), then later would transfer to Bakerloo when the Fleet Line got its own fleet. 33 trains being the Bakerloo requirement once it lost the Baker St- Stanmore section.
The first of the mark2 trains entered service 19 Nov 1973 on Northern line, the last arrived by Dec 1974. Although this thread refers to them as Bakerloo line stock, they were all used on Northern line until Feb 1977, transfers then started and after driver training , 4th April 1977 was entry into service on Bakerloo.
These 33 became the Jubilee line fleet from 1st May 1979. Once the 1983 trains arrived, some of the trains later went back to Northern for a while, others moved to Bakerloo. So the suggestion they have lived an easy life on Bakerloo is not 100% correct as they have only spent part of their life on this line.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 17:33:56 GMT
So much dislike for the 73s ... I am probably biased as it's my local line but 73s come a very close second in my best 'tube' stock, right behind the much loved 72s! Though on the later I will only ever travel in the front, middle or rear cars for the transverse seating! That said I actually enjoy riding on the 73 stock, though judging by previous comments, I must be delirious   |
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Post by M1104 on Apr 28, 2016 17:49:19 GMT
So much dislike for the 73s ... I am probably biased as it's my local line but 73s come a very close second in my best 'tube' stock, right behind the much loved 72s! Though on the later I will only ever travel in the front, middle or rear cars for the transverse seating! That said I actually enjoy riding on the 73 stock, though judging by previous comments, I must be delirious I am with you on the 73 stock as i enjoyed their rides with the occasional treks to Heathrow, have done ever since the Heathrow extension opened. I especially like them how they were before refurbishment and how quickly the doors would close without warning, unlike the 72 (and earlier) stock that make that brief air compression-like noise before they shut. May actually be using the Piccadilly Line and the New York subway on the same day during my short stay to the big apple. |
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