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Post by COBO on Sept 12, 2016 2:16:49 GMT
440: Increase the Monday to Saturday daytime frequency from every 15 minutes to 12 minutes.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 30, 2016 15:44:44 GMT
Dear TfL,
Run more bleepin' buses on the 123 on Sundays. Every single bus I've seen this afternoon was full and standing. Both buses I rode on where like this for over the half the route so serious capacity issues.
Love and kisses
Snoggle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 16:55:50 GMT
440: Increase the Monday to Saturday daytime frequency from every 15 minutes to 12 minutes. I personally don't see the need. The only time I've seen these buses hideously busy is in the school rush. Twyford school in particular! |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 30, 2016 20:34:19 GMT
Dear TfL, Run more bleepin' buses on the 123 on Sundays. Every single bus I've seen this afternoon was full and standing. Both buses I rode on where like this for over the half the route so serious capacity issues. Love and kisses Snoggle. Dear Dr snoggle, We cannot provide extra buses on route 123 on Sundays as you previously said that the Monday to Friday headway on this route is sufficient, despite people getting the same problems on the weekdays. So you would be now tortured with ram packed sweaty cattle truck conditions. Enjoy it at our pleasure. Every journey matters... |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 30, 2016 22:49:29 GMT
Dear TfL, Run more bleepin' buses on the 123 on Sundays. Every single bus I've seen this afternoon was full and standing. Both buses I rode on where like this for over the half the route so serious capacity issues. Love and kisses Snoggle. Dear Dr snoggle, We cannot provide extra buses on route 123 on Sundays as you previously said that the Monday to Friday headway on this route is sufficient, despite people getting the same problems on the weekdays. So you would be now tortured with ram packed sweaty cattle truck conditions. Enjoy it at our pleasure. Every journey matters... Dear Transport for Capital Omnibus, I said I wanted the headway restored to x10. The current headway is ridiculous. Yes there are full buses in the peaks and at school times. I have set out responses to that before too. You seem to have forgotten them. If you wish to quote me in your correspondence please get your quotes right. Love and kisses Snoggle   |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 31, 2016 11:44:05 GMT
Dear Dr snoggle, We cannot provide extra buses on route 123 on Sundays as you previously said that the Monday to Friday headway on this route is sufficient, despite people getting the same problems on the weekdays. So you would be now tortured with ram packed sweaty cattle truck conditions. Enjoy it at our pleasure. Every journey matters... Dear Transport for Capital Omnibus, I said I wanted the headway restored to x10. The current headway is ridiculous. Yes there are full buses in the peaks and at school times. I have set out responses to that before too. You seem to have forgotten them. If you wish to quote me in your correspondence please get your quotes right. Love and kisses Snoggle I recall when it was 10 mins and I called for 8 mins you said it was not need, despite the route clearly carrying more passengers than other 8 min headway routes, like 48 etc. The 10 mins or now 11 min headway is a hindrance to the route, as too much time is lost at bus stops because of this. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 31, 2016 12:31:38 GMT
I recall when it was 10 mins and I called for 8 mins you said it was not need, despite the route clearly carrying more passengers than other 8 min headway routes, like 48 etc. The 10 mins or now 11 min headway is a hindrance to the route, as too much time is lost at bus stops because of this. My main issue with going to x8 is that it is relatively expensive on such a long route. Yes there is overcrowding and real problems for some of the peak and at school times. In an ideal world with bottomless budgets of course I'd love the route to be every 8 mins M-S peaks and daytimes. The problem is that is not affordable hence why I'd prefer to get something that's more practical and evidently needed - the Sunday daytime improvement. I am trying to be realistic even if it means, on one level, I'm cutting off my nose to spite my face. Improving Sunday services is also in line with TfL's current practice - look at the Harrow area changes. Nearly all the spend has been on improving evening and Sunday services and very little elsewhere despite the high usage levels on several routes. The peak round trip time is 209 mins at present - PVR 19 @ 11 mins headway. If you take that to x8 mins you need 26 buses. That's over a 33% increase on the current PVR. No way on earth are TfL going to tip that sort of resource at the 123 unless it suddenly gains an extra 2m pass jnys a year and I don't see where that's going to come from as patronage has declined the last couple of years. As I have said before the next two options are a couple of targeted peak extra buses to deal with the worst of the overcrowding or some SDO trips to remove the worst of the school time rush from the normal service buses. Even there, though, you hit the problem of the route being long and thus having multiple school "surges" in different places at roughly the same time. *If* TfL had money sloshing around I'd rather have a direct bus to the Central from where I am - as the W11 is now out of scope then extend the 397 via Billet Rd, Higham Hill Rd, Forest Rd, Hoe St. Even at x30 headway it'd be better than nothing and would give a bit of help to the W15 in Higham Hill plus some new local links. That's also not going to be overly expensive - possibly 2 buses on the PVR at peak times. Of course that's not happening either because the route's been retendered with no improvements so we're locked in for another 5 years of no improvements. |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Oct 31, 2016 13:18:30 GMT
As a rule (and rules can be broken), I'd make all Sunday frequencies the same as Saturdays. Too many routes cope on Saturdays but are full to bursting on Sundays. Shops don't treat Sundays as a special day any more, so public transport shouldn't.
(And neither should parking or bus lane restrictions, while I'm at it.)
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Post by sid on Oct 31, 2016 13:46:22 GMT
As a rule (and rules can be broken), I'd make all Sunday frequencies the same as Saturdays. Too many routes cope on Saturdays but are full to bursting on Sundays. Shops don't treat Sundays as a special day any more, so public transport shouldn't. (And neither should parking or bus lane restrictions, while I'm at it.) I'd generally go along with that, on many routes demand on a Sunday between about 09.00 and 17.00 is pretty much the same as on a Saturday. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 1, 2016 13:09:30 GMT
I recall when it was 10 mins and I called for 8 mins you said it was not need, despite the route clearly carrying more passengers than other 8 min headway routes, like 48 etc. The 10 mins or now 11 min headway is a hindrance to the route, as too much time is lost at bus stops because of this. My main issue with going to x8 is that it is relatively expensive on such a long route. Yes there is overcrowding and real problems for some of the peak and at school times. In an ideal world with bottomless budgets of course I'd love the route to be every 8 mins M-S peaks and daytimes. The problem is that is not affordable hence why I'd prefer to get something that's more practical and evidently needed - the Sunday daytime improvement. I am trying to be realistic even if it means, on one level, I'm cutting off my nose to spite my face. Improving Sunday services is also in line with TfL's current practice - look at the Harrow area changes. Nearly all the spend has been on improving evening and Sunday services and very little elsewhere despite the high usage levels on several routes. The peak round trip time is 209 mins at present - PVR 19 @ 11 mins headway. If you take that to x8 mins you need 26 buses. That's over a 33% increase on the current PVR. No way on earth are TfL going to tip that sort of resource at the 123 unless it suddenly gains an extra 2m pass jnys a year and I don't see where that's going to come from as patronage has declined the last couple of years. As I have said before the next two options are a couple of targeted peak extra buses to deal with the worst of the overcrowding or some SDO trips to remove the worst of the school time rush from the normal service buses. Even there, though, you hit the problem of the route being long and thus having multiple school "surges" in different places at roughly the same time. *If* TfL had money sloshing around I'd rather have a direct bus to the Central from where I am - as the W11 is now out of scope then extend the 397 via Billet Rd, Higham Hill Rd, Forest Rd, Hoe St. Even at x30 headway it'd be better than nothing and would give a bit of help to the W15 in Higham Hill plus some new local links. That's also not going to be overly expensive - possibly 2 buses on the PVR at peak times. Of course that's not happening either because the route's been retendered with no improvements so we're locked in for another 5 years of no improvements. Well I am sure it was also a waste at the time to overbus Lea Bridge Road in 2003 with 8 min headways on the 55, 48 and 56 all at once. At that time it was only the 55 that needed 8 mins then. It doesn't mean the running time would stay the same if it were made to 8 mins, could be less, same with recovery time. It could end up with 24 buses. The W11 should have not been made to go down Blackhorse Road in the new proposals. It was better getting the waste route 357 to divert from Walthamstow Central, via Selborne Road, Blackhorse Road, Blackhorse Lane, to Crooked Billet.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 1, 2016 13:33:25 GMT
Well I am sure it was also a waste at the time to overbus Lea Bridge Road in 2003 with 8 min headways on the 55, 48 and 56 all at once. At that time it was only the 55 that needed 8 mins then. It doesn't mean the running time would stay the same if it were made to 8 mins, could be less, same with recovery time. It could end up with 24 buses.The W11 should have not been made to go down Blackhorse Road in the new proposals. It was better getting the waste route 357 to divert from Walthamstow Central, via Selborne Road, Blackhorse Road, Blackhorse Lane, to Crooked Billet. If you are going to make comparisons then try to reflect the vastly different circumstances. In 2003 Ken was pouring tens of millions into the bus network every few months. The subsidy went up to over £600m. With that sort of funding level, at lower costs than now, then of course you can get lavish frequencies on Lea Bridge Road. A lot of money was also going into bus priority too and the congestion charge had a big impact in Central London on running times. In other words it was a virtuous situation. The budgetary and operational situation we are in now is vastly different. We have no direct government subsidy in less than 2 years time. We have declining patronage, declining revenue and the operational backdrop is dire - more buses needed to run the service that could be run with far fewer buses back in 2003. In this scenario you are not going to get a shed load of extra buses on a route like the 123. I agree that the route could possibly be more efficiently scheduled but I doubt Arriva would be keen as there are fairly large margins at certain times at each stand. I assume that's to try to cope with the wide variations you can get on running times. Even if the PVR was 24 we are still talking about a 25% uplift in the PVR - can't see it happening I'm sorry to say. I see you are maintaining your "fatwah" against route 357.  |
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Post by kermit463 on Nov 2, 2016 13:51:24 GMT
I'd make the 470 every 20 mins instead of every 30!
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Post by ian on Nov 2, 2016 14:51:58 GMT
Well having travelled on the 114 in the morning peak a couple of times this week (for the first time io a couple of years) - then good grief that needs an increase or schooltime extras, or something. Heading eastbound basically full up from Burnt oak/Stag Lane and passengers unable to board along Turner Road both times. Ugh, not a pleasant experience.
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Post by kermit463 on Nov 2, 2016 16:02:54 GMT
Having been thinking I'd also change the frequencies on these routes
154- Increase to every 10 minutes Monday-Saturday.
157- Increase to every 8 mins Monday-Saturday. Increase to Every 15 minutes evenings and Sundays.
164- Increase to every 8 minutes Monday-Saturday.
293- increase to every 15 minutes Monday-Saturday. Every 20 minutes evenings and Sundays
X26- Increase to every 20 minutes Monday-Sunday.
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Post by Busab2 on Nov 12, 2016 16:24:57 GMT
This should DEFINITELY happen:
60- Every 8-10 minutes Monday-Friday
Once you miss one,especially at rush hrs, you can wait up to 25MINS for the next one and the service is supposed to be every 13 minutes.
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