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Post by danorak on Jan 6, 2017 15:24:55 GMT
This is inspired in part by the 'bad bus stop placement' thread.
We've had the route idea threads for a while, where the ideas tend to be quite far-reaching. The concept behind this thread is try and capture those really small scale ideas that rather get lost on those threads. I'm talking about things like bus stop placements, journey timings, and terminus workings. I hope we might be able to shake out some ideas that are practical, low cost and could potentially even be taken up.
Let me get the ball rolling with the sort of thing I'm thinking about. On the 132 heading northbound along the Rochester Way, the last stop before the A102 fast section is south of Wricklemarsh Road. But heading towards Eltham, there's a stop at the Sun in the Sands and by Annesley Road. So you can get a 132 to Eltham but you're reliant on the 286 coming back. I suggest placing a stop for the 132 and 286 at the eastern end of Annesley Road to fill the gap. A bit of guard rail work would be needed but that shouldn't be much of a problem.
Any other ideas?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 6, 2017 15:46:16 GMT
A bus only turn right lane from Brixton Road to Acre Lane for the 35 & 355 alongside a bus only straight ahead lane from Coldharbour Lane to Acre Lane for the P5. Existing lanes can be easily turned into bus only lanes and the only infrastructure that would need modifying is the signals and the traffic island on Acre Lane.
This would allow the 35, 355 & P5 to save time getting stuck in heavy traffic on the St Matthews one way system in Brixton.
I'd also reverse TfL's recent switch of the routes that serve the two northbound Brixton Station bus stops between Electric Avenue & Coldharbour Lane because it has not stopped buses crossing each other's paths.
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 6, 2017 15:59:39 GMT
A bus only turn right lane from Brixton Road to Acre Lane for the 35 & 355 alongside a bus only straight ahead lane from Coldharbour Lane to Acre Lane for the P5. Existing lanes can be easily turned into bus only lanes and the only infrastructure that would need modifying is the signals and the traffic island on Acre Lane. This would allow the 35, 355 & P5 to save time getting stuck in heavy traffic on the St Matthews one way system in Brixton. I'd also reverse TfL's recent switch of the routes that serve the two northbound Brixton Station bus stops between Electric Avenue & Coldharbour Lane because it has not stopped buses crossing each other's paths. That's the way things were 'til they brought in the gyratory  |
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Post by M1104 on Jan 6, 2017 16:01:24 GMT
I'd also reverse TfL's recent switch of the routes that serve the two northbound Brixton Station bus stops between Electric Avenue & Coldharbour Lane because it has not stopped buses crossing each other's paths. I take it you mean the 'southbound' Brixton Station bus stops? |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 6, 2017 17:19:22 GMT
I'd also reverse TfL's recent switch of the routes that serve the two northbound Brixton Station bus stops between Electric Avenue & Coldharbour Lane because it has not stopped buses crossing each other's paths. I take it you mean the 'southbound' Brixton Station bus stops? Whoops, thanks for spotting that lol. |
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Post by busman on Jan 6, 2017 23:07:52 GMT
Have route 99 serve Plumstead Road, Woolwich Market (stop D) on the way to Woolwich. Many westbound passengers avoid the 99 because it skips this stop.
At Greenford I would have the E6 terminate at Westway Cross Retail Park instead of Greenford Station. Crazy that there is no direct bus link between the main town and this retail park. There would be a new bus stop Northbound on Greenford Road after the junction with Rockware Avenue in lieu of the ommited stop at the existing terminus. The new bus stop would also be served by route 395. Southbound the E6 would serve the stop at Westway Cross before joining its existing route.
I would also suggest diverting 395 away from Westway Cross to terminate at Greenford Red Lion instead as a result of the change to E6, but that may be considered more than a small scale change!
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Post by Alex on Jan 6, 2017 23:42:06 GMT
Have route 99 serve Plumstead Road, Woolwich Market (stop D) on the way to Woolwich. Many westbound passengers avoid the 99 because it skips this stop. Serve the stop as well as Beresford Square...or terminate at Public Market? From what I could gather it omitted the market stops because of the volume of buses serving them already......you could say it works outside PD garage (loads of routes serving between two stops), but at Woolwich the 53, 54, 291 (that come readily to mind) join in by that point so deffo more activity on the market stops. I must admit, I never noticed that (avoiding the 99) when living off of PD High Street. Of course, if someone was to avoid the 99 they would only be joining at Plumstead Corner at the earliest, as past there there is no choice but to get the 99  , I would always use Beresford Square over the Public Market though, much easier to change onto the DLR. I am ashamed to admit that at one point I would let a 177 or 180 (say) go if there was a 96 or 422 behind it as it turned left at Woolwich and stopped right outside the station! It was not long after I realised my outlook was seriously lazy and I should walk to the station (which I ended up doing, apart from when it rained, for three years ) EDIT - Apologies for talking too much there......I clicked into this from the 'recent posts' function and only when reading the thread from the top saw it was an 'ideas' thread as opposed to 'chat about anything' thread. It's a good subject though and look forward to seeing some interesting stuff on here  |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 7, 2017 1:14:01 GMT
A bus only turn right lane from Brixton Road to Acre Lane for the 35 & 355 alongside a bus only straight ahead lane from Coldharbour Lane to Acre Lane for the P5. Existing lanes can be easily turned into bus only lanes and the only infrastructure that would need modifying is the signals and the traffic island on Acre Lane. This would allow the 35, 355 & P5 to save time getting stuck in heavy traffic on the St Matthews one way system in Brixton. I'd also reverse TfL's recent switch of the routes that serve the two northbound Brixton Station bus stops between Electric Avenue & Coldharbour Lane because it has not stopped buses crossing each other's paths. That's the way things were 'til they brought in the gyratory Before my time  - in all seriousness though, I've no idea why they never implemented one when Brixton Hill went two way a good few years back especially as the scheme was all about reducing traffic on the way section of Effra Road. |
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 7, 2017 9:01:20 GMT
That's the way things were 'til they brought in the gyratory Before my time - in all seriousness though, I've no idea why they never implemented one when Brixton Hill went two way a good few years back especially as the scheme was all about reducing traffic on the way section of Effra Road. Come on-you must know the "planners" are ALWAYS right!!   |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 7, 2017 9:36:08 GMT
Have route 99 serve Plumstead Road, Woolwich Market (stop D) on the way to Woolwich. Many westbound passengers avoid the 99 because it skips this stop. I don't see the point. If people cannot be bothered to walk a few yards that is just ridiculous. The 51 & 99 both alight at that stop no point serving Woolwich Public Market as well as Beresford Square stop as well. This reminds me of the Sixth Formers who go to Christ the King in Sidcup. They all prefer to get on the 229 because it usually stands just at the corner of the road at Queen Mary's Hospital. I've had someone get off a 286 then get on a 229 at "The Green" 1 stop before QMH. The 160, 269, 286 & R11 all go to the same place thing is they are too lazy to walk a few more yards. |
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Post by fg49 on Jan 7, 2017 12:19:26 GMT
Reroute the 49 southbound at Clapham Junction to terminate on St John's Hill (old 239 routing) as opposed Battersea Rise. I think this would be a nice touch that way the three Chelsea-CLJ routes serve all three major roads in CLJ.
Extend the 19 one stop down to Petworth Street (Battersea, Latchmere Road to most even though this blind only makes sense coming from the south). An extension I know would be greatly appreciated my a lot of locals only potential problem being stand overflows and no space for other routes to terminate there.
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 7, 2017 15:06:27 GMT
Extend the 279 from Waltham Cross to Waltham Abbey as it will provide commuters with another useful London link. Waltham Abbey is not on a rail line, but is just up the road |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 7, 2017 15:16:59 GMT
Reroute the 49 southbound at Clapham Junction to terminate on St John's Hill (old 239 routing) as opposed Battersea Rise. I think this would be a nice touch that way the three Chelsea-CLJ routes serve all three major roads in CLJ. And I lose my direct interchange to the shared 35/37 stop outside Debenhams lool. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jan 7, 2017 15:38:33 GMT
Have the 145 serve the stop at Pioneer Point in Ilford like the 128 and 150 do. Just purely a selfish things, it's a bit of a walk from Sainsburys up to Ilford Station...
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 7, 2017 15:55:55 GMT
Have the 145 serve the stop at Pioneer Point in Ilford like the 128 and 150 do. Just purely a selfish things, it's a bit of a walk from Sainsburys up to Ilford Station... Along with the 366, however it might be an idea to stop the 366 at Chapel Road with all the other Barking bound routes. I've always found it irritating the 145 and 366 don't stop at those stops after Ilford Station. |
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, I would always use Beresford Square over the Public Market though, much easier to change onto the DLR. I am ashamed to admit that at one point I would let a 177 or 180 (say) go if there was a 96 or 422 behind it as it turned left at Woolwich and stopped right outside the station! It was not long after I realised my outlook was seriously lazy and I should walk to the station (which I ended up doing, apart from when it rained, for three years 
- in all seriousness though, I've no idea why they never implemented one when Brixton Hill went two way a good few years back especially as the scheme was all about reducing traffic on the way section of Effra Road.
