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Post by busman on Jan 7, 2017 17:46:39 GMT
Have route 99 serve Plumstead Road, Woolwich Market (stop D) on the way to Woolwich. Many westbound passengers avoid the 99 because it skips this stop. I don't see the point. If people cannot be bothered to walk a few yards that is just ridiculous. The 51 & 99 both alight at that stop no point serving Woolwich Public Market as well as Beresford Square stop as well. This reminds me of the Sixth Formers who go to Christ the King in Sidcup. They all prefer to get on the 229 because it usually stands just at the corner of the road at Queen Mary's Hospital. I've had someone get off a 286 then get on a 229 at "The Green" 1 stop before QMH. The 160, 269, 286 & R11 all go to the same place thing is they are too lazy to walk a few more yards. The 177, 180 and 472 serve both stops, so no logical reason why the 99 shouldn't do so as well. The 51 has a stop nearby at the junction with Burrage Road, it is understandable that it doesn't directly outside the market. I always see passengers confused when the 99 sails past stop D - where they actually wanted to alight. It's not the greatest distance in the world if you are able bodied, but that distance is a lot further if you are less able i.e. very old, have a buggy/small children in tow etc. A couple of my neighbours in their 80's rely on local buses and that walk between Stop D and Beresford Square would take them a good 10 minutes! |
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Post by Steve09 on Jan 7, 2017 18:25:14 GMT
I don't see the point. If people cannot be bothered to walk a few yards that is just ridiculous. The 51 & 99 both alight at that stop no point serving Woolwich Public Market as well as Beresford Square stop as well. This reminds me of the Sixth Formers who go to Christ the King in Sidcup. They all prefer to get on the 229 because it usually stands just at the corner of the road at Queen Mary's Hospital. I've had someone get off a 286 then get on a 229 at "The Green" 1 stop before QMH. The 160, 269, 286 & R11 all go to the same place thing is they are too lazy to walk a few more yards. The 177, 180 and 472 serve both stops, so no logical reason why the 99 shouldn't do so as well. The 51 has a stop nearby at the junction with Burrage Road, it is understandable that it doesn't directly outside the market. I always see passengers confused when the 99 sails past stop D - where they actually wanted to alight. It's not the greatest distance in the world if you are able bodied, but that distance is a lot further if you are less able i.e. very old, have a buggy/small children in tow etc. A couple of my neighbours in their 80's rely on local buses and that walk between Stop D and Beresford Square would take them a good 10 minutes! As a passenger I can understand it may not seem bizzare that the 51/99 don't stop there. But having driven both routes, it probably saves time on the schedule and gets the bus to the stand quicker rather than spending time serving that bus stop which can be congested with several bus routes serving it at any one time when its busy. Anyway from my observations over time, the majority of passengers who alight at the final stop on the 51/99 walk towards Woolwich town centre for the station or shops or interchange at that bus stop for the 472 etc. |
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Post by sid on Jan 8, 2017 9:11:33 GMT
A couple that spring to mind.
The 96 to serve DV Hospital rather than pass by without stopping.
The K1 to pick passengers up on the forecourt at New Malden station, there is a stop there so why can't passengers board there?
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Post by Lewis J.N. on Jan 8, 2017 16:09:44 GMT
114 to Ruislip Lido on Summer Sundays
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Jan 9, 2017 18:33:37 GMT
Route 107 extended to Colindale Superstores (Meaning Route 292 will terminate at Edgware)
Routes 303 and 305 merged into one route (Renumbered Route 335)
Route 79 Extended to Millbrook Park (Mill Hill East) via Route 240 giving more support during rush hour.
Route 340 Extended to Mill Hill East Stn via Route 221
Route 302 Extended to Edgware via Route 240.
Route 221 will terminate at Mill Hill Boradway (It will run to Edgware between 06:00 to 16:00) However on Christmas Eve and New Years Eve/Day it will terminate at Edgware.
Route 183 Extended to Ruislip Lido
Route 245 Extended to Royal Free Hospital (Via Route 268)
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Post by bengady3 on Jan 9, 2017 20:06:35 GMT
Since people are complaining about a long walk in the Hillcrest Estate.
You could Extend the Route 322 to Hillcrest Estate
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Post by snoggle on Jan 9, 2017 23:56:45 GMT
What's interesting with many of the proposals so far is that they are not "small scale" in reality. They might look like that to the proposer but I suspect many of them have not been done because there are contract cost impacts or contract performance risk (more delays, more unreliability) or safety issues or that PVRs go up. I also expect some are physically not possible due to site constraints, highway engineering issues and TfL's own standards for things like bus stop cages (depending on no. of buses using a stop). If any of these have a price tag less than £100k in total (covering all costs and risks that would incurred) I'd be astonished. I know a £ quantum wasn't specified but I suspect £100k is a reasonable starting point.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 10, 2017 0:56:11 GMT
Since people are complaining about a long walk in the Hillcrest Estate. You could Extend the Route 322 to Hillcrest EstateNo thanks, the 322 needs longer single deckers and doesn't need to be restrained by short single deckers for good. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 8:06:12 GMT
H37 should serve the same stop on London Rd which is the first stop for routes 81/222/H32/423 etc from AV stand.
Currently no intermediate stop on the H37 between AV Garage and Blenheim Centre.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 10, 2017 9:42:52 GMT
Would be nice for the 89's terminal/departure arrangements in Lewisham to be the same as the 108's, which would put all the Blackheath bound buses on the same stops.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 10, 2017 10:43:17 GMT
Would be nice for the 89's terminal/departure arrangements in Lewisham to be the same as the 108's, which would put all the Blackheath bound buses on the same stops. I don't think so because the 108 begins from Lewisham Centre which is permanent first bus stop towards heading Northbound to Stratford International Station. Lewisham Station is the last stop from Southbound trips. What you mean is the 89 to go via Molesworth Street from Lewisham Station making the second stop Lewisham Centre before going onto Belmont Hill and serving Lockmead Road. |
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Post by sid on Jan 10, 2017 11:05:05 GMT
Would be nice for the 89's terminal/departure arrangements in Lewisham to be the same as the 108's, which would put all the Blackheath bound buses on the same stops. I don't think so because the 108 begins from Lewisham Centre which is permanent first bus stop towards heading Northbound to Stratford International Station. Lewisham Station is the last stop from Southbound trips. What you mean is the 89 to go via Molesworth Street from Lewisham Station making the second stop Lewisham Centre before going onto Belmont Hill and serving Lockmead Road. Either way it would be good if the 89 and 108 both took the same route. |
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jan 10, 2017 15:03:29 GMT
Since people are complaining about a long walk in the Hillcrest Estate. You could Extend the Route 322 to Hillcrest EstateNo thanks, the 322 needs longer single deckers and doesn't need to be restrained by short single deckers for good. Can longer buses fit at the moment? 356 was another proposed bus to extend there  Let's go with that one |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 10, 2017 15:11:13 GMT
No thanks, the 322 needs longer single deckers and doesn't need to be restrained by short single deckers for good. Can longer buses fit at the moment? 356 was another proposed bus to extend there Let's go with that one Yes they can providing no one parks like an idiot on the St Gothards Road bend with St Clouds Road lol. The one DP I've got uploaded on Flickr on the route did the full route that day as did another DP that was also out that day. Even 9.6m/9.7m dual door buses would be a beneficial upgrade - why these types of routes are still being retained with smaller vehicles is beyond me. |
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Post by sid on Jan 11, 2017 6:02:05 GMT
Maybe it's just me but I've often thought it would make more sense for the 403 to go via Croydon High Street rather than Park Lane, St Peters Road and Aberdeen Road. Serves more convenient town centre stops and also serves common stops with the 412. Part of the current route is now served by the 455 and there are no stops in Aberdeen Road anyway.
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Let's go with that one