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Post by TB123 on Apr 4, 2020 11:20:47 GMT
Keir Starmer becomes Labour leader. A good day for Labour supporters, the party once more becomes a credible force in British politics.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 4, 2020 11:23:24 GMT
Just putting someone else in charge doesn't automatically make the party a new force, it needs to build up to be the force. Keir has a lot of work to do, akin to the amount of work if not more work than what Blair did back in his day in the lead up to 1997.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 4, 2020 11:27:49 GMT
Just putting someone else in charge doesn't automatically make the party a new force, it needs to build up to be the force. Keir has a lot of work to do, akin to the amount of work if not more work than what Blair did back in his day in the lead up to 1997. Definitely, but changing the captain sets a signal of change to the electorate. There's a mountain to climb, but if anyone can do it, Keir can. |
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Post by Pilot on Apr 4, 2020 11:47:52 GMT
I can't say I like the geezer, I think Corbyn wasn't even that bad, it's just that the whole labour party is kinda undecided on what they want to do.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 4, 2020 18:48:22 GMT
I think Keir will provide more articulate and informed opposition than recent Labour leaders. He would be a safe pair of hands for people wanting a change of government next time. He might not be as popular a celebrity as Boris though.
I understand that route 73 passes 4 successive constituencies of well-known Labour MPs: Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry, Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott.
Talking of Diane, she had announced she would be standing down from the Shadow Cabinet and reiterated this on her Twitter page earlier.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 4, 2020 20:09:39 GMT
I can't say I like the geezer, I think Corbyn wasn't even that bad, it's just that the whole labour party is kinda undecided on what they want to do. Not bowled over by Starmer at all but I think he'll still be a better bet than Corbyn who frankly was abysmal personally as it showed in the election results. At least with Starmer, I can trust him on issues involving terrorism unlike Corbyn who has continuously over his career got into bed with many major terror factions like Hamas & the IRA - I'll certainly give Starmer a fair shout and hope he convinces me. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 5, 2020 21:12:05 GMT
Keir has made a few changes to the shadow cabinet.
John McDonnell and Diane Abbott had already resigned. Keir has sacked Barry Gardiner, Ian Lavery and Jon Trickett.
Anneliese Dodds is now shadow Chancellor. Rachel Reeves is now shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. Nick Thomas-Symonds is now shadow Home Secretary.
Jon Ashworth unsurprisingly remains shadow Home Secretary. Angela Rayner becomes Labour party chair.
Lisa Nandy is now shadow Foreign Secretary. I thought she might be appointed shadow Communities Secretary.
Emily Thornberry is reported to be staying in the shadow cabinet, with a portfolio to be announced tomorrow together with other appointments. It is rumoured that Rebecca Long-Bailey will be shadow Leader of the House.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 5, 2020 21:15:38 GMT
Keir has made a few changes to the shadow cabinet. John McDonnell and Diane Abbott had already resigned. Keir has sacked Barry Gardiner, Ian Lavery and Jon Trickett. Anneliese Dodds is now shadow Chancellor. Rachel Reeves is now shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. Nick Thomas-Symonds is now shadow Home Secretary. Jon Ashworth unsurprisingly remains shadow Home Secretary. Angela Rayner becomes Labour party chair. Lisa Nandy is now shadow Foreign Secretary. I thought she might be appointed shadow Communities Secretary. Emily Thornberry is reported to be staying in the shadow cabinet, with a portfolio to be announced tomorrow together with other appointments. It is rumoured that Rebecca Long-Bailey will be shadow Leader of the House. Some good choices. Keir hitting the ground running already. Proof is in the opinion polls shifting, the party culture changing and good performances in future local elections. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Apr 5, 2020 22:53:49 GMT
Keir has made a few changes to the shadow cabinet. John McDonnell and Diane Abbott had already resigned. Keir has sacked Barry Gardiner, Ian Lavery and Jon Trickett. Anneliese Dodds is now shadow Chancellor. Rachel Reeves is now shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. Nick Thomas-Symonds is now shadow Home Secretary. Jon Ashworth unsurprisingly remains shadow Home Secretary. Angela Rayner becomes Labour party chair. Lisa Nandy is now shadow Foreign Secretary. I thought she might be appointed shadow Communities Secretary. Emily Thornberry is reported to be staying in the shadow cabinet, with a portfolio to be announced tomorrow together with other appointments. It is rumoured that Rebecca Long-Bailey will be shadow Leader of the House. Some good choices. Keir hitting the ground running already. Proof is in the opinion polls shifting, the party culture changing and good performances in future local elections. You do seem overly optimistic about this all, it's still early days and not to mention the next election is another 4 and a bit years away so there's a long way to go. I think Keir Starmer is a better leader than Corbyn but he has a lot of work to do if he has any hope of ousting Boris. I don't see it but we shall see if he can convince me, something which Labour failed hugely to do in the last election. Something which irked me slightly with him was something I saw on the news today, in which he said the government hadn't got enough PPE for healthcare workers or something like that, I'm sorry but what would he have done differently to ensure this especially with the rapid change in this pandemic? The government are doing their best, and although it may not be enough, there are huge logistical challenges with getting this distributed to everyone fighting COVID-19 |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 5, 2020 22:59:09 GMT
Some good choices. Keir hitting the ground running already. Proof is in the opinion polls shifting, the party culture changing and good performances in future local elections. You do seem overly optimistic about this all, it's still early days and not to mention the next election is another 4 and a bit years away so there's a long way to go. I think Keir Starmer is a better leader than Corbyn but he has a lot of work to do if he has any hope of ousting Boris. I don't see it but we shall see if he can convince me. Something which irked me slightly with him was something I saw on the news today, in which he said the government hadn't got enough PPE for healthcare workers or something like that, I'm sorry but what would he have done differently to ensure this especially with the rapid change in this pandemic? The government are doing their best, and although it may not be enough, there are huge logistical challenges with getting this distributed to everyone fighting COVID-19 Agree with you about it being too early to come to any conclusion, we don't know what effect Keir's policies will have and what sort of effect having a cabinet from various positions along the spectrum will be like. Regarding attacking the government, he's just doing his job. He's the Leader of the Opposition, their job is to point out the mistakes the government is doing and not necessarily to always provide a solution. A government can do everything perfectly but the opposition will still point out their mistakes. It's all part of making sure that the government is held to account and don't go on a rampage with policies. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Apr 5, 2020 23:00:39 GMT
You do seem overly optimistic about this all, it's still early days and not to mention the next election is another 4 and a bit years away so there's a long way to go. I think Keir Starmer is a better leader than Corbyn but he has a lot of work to do if he has any hope of ousting Boris. I don't see it but we shall see if he can convince me. Something which irked me slightly with him was something I saw on the news today, in which he said the government hadn't got enough PPE for healthcare workers or something like that, I'm sorry but what would he have done differently to ensure this especially with the rapid change in this pandemic? The government are doing their best, and although it may not be enough, there are huge logistical challenges with getting this distributed to everyone fighting COVID-19 Agree with you about it being too early to come to any conclusion, we don't know what effect Keir's policies will have and what sort of effect having a cabinet from various positions along the spectrum will be like. Regarding attacking the government, he's just doing his job. He's the Leader of the Opposition, their job is to point out the mistakes the government is doing and not necessarily to always provide a solution. A government can do everything perfectly but the opposition will still point out their mistakes. It's all part of making sure that the government is held to account and don't go on a rampage with policies. I know its the job of the leader of the opposition to do that but it's a bit of a weak argument. |
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Post by 725DYE on Apr 5, 2020 23:14:07 GMT
Keir has made a few changes to the shadow cabinet. John McDonnell and Diane Abbott had already resigned. Keir has sacked Barry Gardiner, Ian Lavery and Jon Trickett. Anneliese Dodds is now shadow Chancellor. Rachel Reeves is now shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. Nick Thomas-Symonds is now shadow Home Secretary. Jon Ashworth unsurprisingly remains shadow Home Secretary. Angela Rayner becomes Labour party chair. Lisa Nandy is now shadow Foreign Secretary. I thought she might be appointed shadow Communities Secretary. Emily Thornberry is reported to be staying in the shadow cabinet, with a portfolio to be announced tomorrow together with other appointments. It is rumoured that Rebecca Long-Bailey will be shadow Leader of the House. Some good choices. Keir hitting the ground running already. Proof is in the opinion polls shifting, the party culture changing and good performances in future local elections. The man has been party leader for one day for Christ's sake and some of his shadow cabinet have been revealed. There's nothing wrong with supporting him but you simply cannot determine future performance based on one day of leadership. Personally a massive shift shall be required if I'll be convinced to back the man. Time to bin momentum politics, Comrade Corbyn his 1970s policies. Starmer certainly comes off as a more respectable and modern politician, but is publicly educated and yet another MP whom those in the northern labour heartlands may once again view as a big city liberal elitist. His open offer to work cooperatively with the government in tackling the public health crisis is certainly a step forward from Corbyn's party before people attitude towards the situation as demonstrated in the latter weeks of his leadership. |
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Post by Frenzie on Apr 6, 2020 5:14:45 GMT
Some good choices. Keir hitting the ground running already. Proof is in the opinion polls shifting, the party culture changing and good performances in future local elections. You do seem overly optimistic about this all, it's still early days and not to mention the next election is another 4 and a bit years away so there's a long way to go. I think Keir Starmer is a better leader than Corbyn but he has a lot of work to do if he has any hope of ousting Boris. I don't see it but we shall see if he can convince me, something which Labour failed hugely to do in the last election. Something which irked me slightly with him was something I saw on the news today, in which he said the government hadn't got enough PPE for healthcare workers or something like that, I'm sorry but what would he have done differently to ensure this especially with the rapid change in this pandemic? The government are doing their best, and although it may not be enough, there are huge logistical challenges with getting this distributed to everyone fighting COVID-19 The NHS and PHE should have been better prepared for a pandemic like this. It was only a matter of time. We should have had enough PPE. The last 10 years of cuts and the idiotic herd immunity strategy Boris championed around 3 weeks ago has led deaths which were preventable. Everyday at these useless press conferences questions are dodged. This is not a time to lie to public about the mistakes the government has made. We should be doing hundreds of thousands of tests a day yet the government seems to have no idea why we are not. We are being governed by fools. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 6, 2020 5:39:35 GMT
You do seem overly optimistic about this all, it's still early days and not to mention the next election is another 4 and a bit years away so there's a long way to go. I think Keir Starmer is a better leader than Corbyn but he has a lot of work to do if he has any hope of ousting Boris. I don't see it but we shall see if he can convince me, something which Labour failed hugely to do in the last election. Something which irked me slightly with him was something I saw on the news today, in which he said the government hadn't got enough PPE for healthcare workers or something like that, I'm sorry but what would he have done differently to ensure this especially with the rapid change in this pandemic? The government are doing their best, and although it may not be enough, there are huge logistical challenges with getting this distributed to everyone fighting COVID-19 The NHS and PHE should have been better prepared for a pandemic like this. It was only a matter of time. We should have had enough PPE. The last 10 years of cuts and the idiotic herd immunity strategy Boris championed around 3 weeks ago has led deaths which were preventable. Everyday at these useless press conferences questions are dodged. This is not a time to lie to public about the mistakes the government has made. We should be doing hundreds of thousands of tests a day yet the government seems to have no idea why we are not. We are being governed by fools. And of course it would all be so much better with Jeremy Corbyn in charge right? |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 6, 2020 12:36:12 GMT
I've always thought that the way a leader starts their tenure is an important minder of what's to come, personally I'm enthused by Keir so far, in making a clean break from Corbyn and at last apologising for the disgraceful anti-Semitism plaguing the Labour party, which was a cause of upset for many including myself.
Maybe I'm a little over-optimistic, but the fact Keir has done more in 48hrs than Corbyn did in 4 years to put Labour on a track to power and to tackle anti-Semitism is very hopeful for members and voters like myself.
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