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Post by MKAY315 on Oct 30, 2020 17:08:03 GMT
With the labour party I think the reason why people are not feeling confident with them anymore is because of the divide that has been laid bare for people to see. Look at the way Diane Abbott was treated and Dawn Butler for instance, from time Boris was able to speak on those things before Keir Starmer was able to say anything says a lot about him. Even the tories don't respect Starmer as a worthy opponent. The labour party really does need to be stripped down and rebuilt from scratch before people can take them seriously again. With the tories there's conflict but they know how to hide it within the party but I still dislike the tories with a passion and this year has fully proven it. No one deserves abuse but equally Dawn Butler & Abbott can not play sympathy cards when they were perfectly happy working for a pro IRA, Hamas loving leader especially the latter who has been at Corbyn’s side since the 60’s & 70’s in both work & personal circumstances. David Lammy is another one as well. David Lammy as for him. He's one guy I can't seem to work out. On one hand he's bashing Theresa May with regards to the Windrush scandal and the on the other hand he doesn't actually put his money where his mouth is. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 30, 2020 17:51:35 GMT
I haven’t watched it but I feel very uneasy about this situation where it seems in vogue to call police racist. No matter what institution you have, you will always sadly get a minority who genuinely are racist but I’m not convinced the police as a whole are racist - they’ve come a long way since the days of Thatcher when the police really were racist as a whole. What I'm going to say is going to sound very controversial. The reason why people have lost faith in the police is because of the way they carry themselves in some areas. Institutionally there's some stuff that needs to be sorted but that's a story for another day. As for labour right now it's a sad sight to see all this unfold. I have to disagree and I will give an possibly equally controversial point of my own - whilst the police aren't perfect, a lot has changed within the force from the dark days of the 70's & 80's when the police were genuinely institutionally racist to the core and my feeling is those affected by these actions have sadly passed on what was once a perfectly reasonable grudge onto the next generation who are now using what happened 30 & 40 years ago as an excuse to bash the police left, right & centre hence why we've ended up with BLM wanting the police defunded which is absolutely ridicolous. We either all work together and leave the blame game & superiority factor in the past or otherwise, forget about making any progress. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Oct 30, 2020 18:30:43 GMT
What I'm going to say is going to sound very controversial. The reason why people have lost faith in the police is because of the way they carry themselves in some areas. Institutionally there's some stuff that needs to be sorted but that's a story for another day. As for labour right now it's a sad sight to see all this unfold. I have to disagree and I will give an possibly equally controversial point of my own - whilst the police aren't perfect, a lot has changed within the force from the dark days of the 70's & 80's when the police were genuinely institutionally racist to the core and my feeling is those affected by these actions have sadly passed on what was once a perfectly reasonable grudge onto the next generation who are now using what happened 30 & 40 years ago as an excuse to bash the police left, right & centre hence why we've ended up with BLM wanting the police defunded which is absolutely ridicolous. We either all work together and leave the blame game & superiority factor in the past or otherwise, forget about making any progress. I'm going to go off topic for a minute but I know if we're not careful we may end up hijacking this thread 😂. In regards to your last post I get where you're coming from with this however and this is from my own personal experience I haven't really seen that much changes within the police for various reasons. Now they may not be as blatent to your face as they once were back in the day but I can understand the frustration the public have and I feel like the resentment towards the police has gone in too deep. Until a major reshufflement takes place then it's just a case of a revolving door in terms of who is in charge. In an ideal world it would be lovely for everyone to sing by the fire side and hold hands but given people's viewpoints on things I can't see that happening. Another issue I find is rather others coming together to fully explain their viewpoints people love to shout across the room and start calling others names which doesn't help the cause in any shape or form. I prefer to fully explain my views for why I say what I say in a respectful way of course but when I see something is wrong and people say otherwise that's an issue. In saying this back to the labour situation. Tony Blair when I think about it did some questionnable things when he was in power and it's only when I got older I realised how bad it was. All in all my good man I do hope good changes come through. |
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Post by richard on Nov 17, 2020 18:40:15 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn has been reinstaed into the Labour Party
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Post by vjaska on Nov 17, 2020 22:45:40 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn has been reinstaed into the Labour Party Massive error from the Labour Party which shows personally they're not serious about eradicating antisemitism - the Corbyn family needs to be banished to obscurity once and for all. |
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Post by richard on Nov 18, 2020 1:03:17 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn has been reinstaed into the Labour Party Massive error from the Labour Party which shows personally they're not serious about eradicating antisemitism - the Corbyn family needs to be banished to obscurity once and for all. The same could be said about Boris after what he said about Muslim women he is a blatant racist that needs to go. All this corbyn stuff is to distract people from the real racist. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 18, 2020 1:07:01 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn has been reinstaed into the Labour Party Massive error from the Labour Party which shows personally they're not serious about eradicating antisemitism - the Corbyn family needs to be banished to obscurity once and for all. I think this move was done more so to prevent a Labour split which could quite potentially give the Tories a free reign for many more years to come, even London could end up quite divided with places like Islington North, Hackney, Poplar and Islington South all siding with the new far left party while places like Barking, Battersea, Croydon all remain with the moderate Labour Party. Personally what I hope now is that Jeremy Corbyn sees his own mistake and the importance for party unity and just resigns on his own accord. If he really does care about the Labour Party and believes it's the best thing for this country it's what he will do rather than further fuelling all this infighting by remaining as an MP. He's clearly never going to admit his mistakes so the best thing he can do is resign. The other alternative is to wait for him to inevitably slip up again and oust him then, although that will bring back the issue of another potential labour split. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 18, 2020 1:09:14 GMT
Massive error from the Labour Party which shows personally they're not serious about eradicating antisemitism - the Corbyn family needs to be banished to obscurity once and for all. The same could be said about Boris after what he said about Muslim women he is a blatant racist that needs to go. All this corbyn stuff is to distract people from the real racist. Wouldn't say this is to distract from the "real racist", Corbyn is a real racist too. They both just target different groups. I think Boris' words will catch up with him, especially with Joe Biden from across the pond quite aware of his comments now. I think Boris will be gone sooner rather than later, end of the day Boris is quite smart for his own gain so will do a runner before something bad inevitably happens and then the new leader will get caught in the midst of it - a lot like how Blair saw the recession coming and the inevitable Labour loss at the 2010 election and then did a runner. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 18, 2020 2:00:19 GMT
Massive error from the Labour Party which shows personally they're not serious about eradicating antisemitism - the Corbyn family needs to be banished to obscurity once and for all. The same could be said about Boris after what he said about Muslim women he is a blatant racist that needs to go. All this corbyn stuff is to distract people from the real racist. No I disagree - I think both men are racists and sadly, I was duped by Boris when I voted for him for the mayoral elections (I learn't from my mistake though not to vote him into the PM job). Just because Corbyn has had a personal relationship with a certain Diane Abbott on & off for 40-50 odd years does not make him any less racist than Boris. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 18, 2020 2:03:08 GMT
Massive error from the Labour Party which shows personally they're not serious about eradicating antisemitism - the Corbyn family needs to be banished to obscurity once and for all. I think this move was done more so to prevent a Labour split which could quite potentially give the Tories a free reign for many more years to come, even London could end up quite divided with places like Islington North, Hackney, Poplar and Islington South all siding with the new far left party while places like Barking, Battersea, Croydon all remain with the moderate Labour Party. Personally what I hope now is that Jeremy Corbyn sees his own mistake and the importance for party unity and just resigns on his own accord. If he really does care about the Labour Party and believes it's the best thing for this country it's what he will do rather than further fuelling all this infighting by remaining as an MP. He's clearly never going to admit his mistakes so the best thing he can do is resign. The other alternative is to wait for him to inevitably slip up again and oust him then, although that will bring back the issue of another potential labour split. We can all hope but I see him whipping up the likes of Momentum & the other crackpot hard lefties and creating that split in the party you mention, maybe forming a break away hard left party which then hopefully falls into the abyss like the Brexit party has pretty done so. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 18, 2020 11:39:24 GMT
News coming in now that Sir Keir Starmer isn't going to restore the Whip to Corbyn, so while he's back in the party he will not be able to sit as a Labour MP and stand for election as a Labour MP.
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Post by richard on Nov 18, 2020 14:10:06 GMT
The same could be said about Boris after what he said about Muslim women he is a blatant racist that needs to go. All this corbyn stuff is to distract people from the real racist. No I disagree - I think both men are racists and sadly, I was duped by Boris when I voted for him for the mayoral elections (I learn't from my mistake though not to vote him into the PM job). Just because Corbyn has had a personal relationship with a certain Diane Abbott on & off for 40-50 odd years does not make him any less racist than Boris. Part true yes but you don't hear much about Boris in the press than Corbyn when it comes to racisum. The only reason Boris is PM is because of the idot Cummings. |
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Post by LT 20181 on Nov 19, 2020 0:32:47 GMT
No I disagree - I think both men are racists and sadly, I was duped by Boris when I voted for him for the mayoral elections (I learn't from my mistake though not to vote him into the PM job). Just because Corbyn has had a personal relationship with a certain Diane Abbott on & off for 40-50 odd years does not make him any less racist than Boris. Part true yes but you don't hear much about Boris in the press than Corbyn when it comes to racisum. The only reason Boris is PM is because of the idot Cummings. Thankfully, Cummings has now gone. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 19, 2020 1:12:57 GMT
No I disagree - I think both men are racists and sadly, I was duped by Boris when I voted for him for the mayoral elections (I learn't from my mistake though not to vote him into the PM job). Just because Corbyn has had a personal relationship with a certain Diane Abbott on & off for 40-50 odd years does not make him any less racist than Boris. Part true yes but you don't hear much about Boris in the press than Corbyn when it comes to racisum. The only reason Boris is PM is because of the idot Cummings. Depends on what press you read - if you read pro Tory press, then you'll going to hear more about Corbyn and in pro Labour press, more about Boris. I wouldn't say Cummings is the sole reason though he played a big part but the big reason Boris got in was because the North told Labour that they were not fit to govern and a big part of that was Corbyn and his, "I can't decide whether I'm for or against Brexit" |
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