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Post by TB123 on Jun 25, 2020 16:02:47 GMT
Personally however, if Starmer wants to break away from the hard left of the party which has developed over the last 4 and a half years, appointing someone who called Corbyn a "10/10 leader" to the shadow cabinet is a bit of a foolish move. Knew it wouldn't take long.... what an absolute fool she is. www.thenational.scot/news/18542011.rebecca-long-bailey-sacked-row-israel/Good move. I thought it was wise to give roles to leadership rivals but her comments were so wrong and she was disastrous at the brief. |
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 29, 2020 15:18:30 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Oct 29, 2020 15:34:42 GMT
Can't come soon enough, maybe Labour is finally getting serious about tackling antisemitism. His comments upon the report releasing were incredible and not in a good way. I like the moves Starmer is making, though I'm still not 100% convinced by him yet as it's still very early on. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Oct 29, 2020 17:57:54 GMT
Can't come soon enough, maybe Labour is finally getting serious about tackling antisemitism. His comments upon the report releasing were incredible and not in a good way. I like the moves Starmer is making, though I'm still not 100% convinced by him yet as it's still very early on. I dunno about Starmer. He looks too much like a people pleaser and doesn't seem to have a mind of his own but only time will tell. |
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Post by richard on Oct 29, 2020 18:04:07 GMT
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Post by greenboy on Oct 29, 2020 18:18:05 GMT
I'd agree with that, most politicians of whatever persuasion certainly don't know nothing......... |
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Post by MKAY315 on Oct 29, 2020 19:29:24 GMT
I'd agree with that, most politicians of whatever persuasion certainly don't know nothing......... They literally made a sh*t show of brexit and the one guy who started this has been able to walk away like nothing happened. |
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Post by richard on Oct 29, 2020 19:35:28 GMT
I'd agree with that, most politicians of whatever persuasion certainly don't know nothing......... They literally made a sh*t show of brexit and the one guy who started this has been able to walk away like nothing happened. And Dodgy dave is nowhere to be seen |
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Post by MKAY315 on Oct 29, 2020 20:07:37 GMT
They literally made a sh*t show of brexit and the one guy who started this has been able to walk away like nothing happened. And Dodgy dave is nowhere to be seen exactly that. With corbyn's situation I feel as though they should have carried that same energy with those tory mps that were investigated with the antisemtism issue that occurred but that's a story for another day. Keir Starmer as for him I don't trust that guy whatsoever. I feel as though he's a people pleaser who doesn't seem to want to think for himself. |
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Post by richard on Oct 29, 2020 21:40:40 GMT
And Dodgy dave is nowhere to be seen exactly that. With corbyn's situation I feel as though they should have carried that same energy with those tory mps that were investigated with the antisemtism issue that occurred but that's a story for another day. Keir Starmer as for him I don't trust that guy whatsoever. I feel as though he's a people pleaser who doesn't seem to want to think for himself. To be honest I think corbyn is being used as a scapegoat. With Keir I don't trust him eather but Its the Iraq war has severely damaged the reputation of the party thanks to Blair and his mate Bush. Yes no one should be forced to have that sort of abuse and any person should have the book thrown at them if any wrongdoing is discovered. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 29, 2020 21:48:37 GMT
exactly that. With corbyn's situation I feel as though they should have carried that same energy with those tory mps that were investigated with the antisemtism issue that occurred but that's a story for another day. Keir Starmer as for him I don't trust that guy whatsoever. I feel as though he's a people pleaser who doesn't seem to want to think for himself. To be honest I think corbyn is being used as a scapegoat. With Keir I don't trust him eather but Its the Iraq war has severely damaged the reputation of the party thanks to Blair and his mate Bush. Yes no one should be forced to have that sort of abuse and any person should have the book thrown at them if any wrongdoing is discovered. I don't think he is being used as a scapegoat, look at what he said today. You can't claim he's being blamed for other people's issues when he is causing an issue himself. Even though Blair might have made the wrong decision with the Iraq war, I don't think it'll have damaged the party solely. The party was damaged with all that infighting and anti-semitism. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 29, 2020 23:05:09 GMT
I'd agree with that, most politicians of whatever persuasion certainly don't know nothing......... Yet all you done on here is praise Boris & the government........ |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 29, 2020 23:11:35 GMT
exactly that. With corbyn's situation I feel as though they should have carried that same energy with those tory mps that were investigated with the antisemtism issue that occurred but that's a story for another day. Keir Starmer as for him I don't trust that guy whatsoever. I feel as though he's a people pleaser who doesn't seem to want to think for himself. To be honest I think corbyn is being used as a scapegoat. With Keir I don't trust him eather but Its the Iraq war has severely damaged the reputation of the party thanks to Blair and his mate Bush. Yes no one should be forced to have that sort of abuse and any person should have the book thrown at them if any wrongdoing is discovered. Corbyn is no scapegoat, he has had this coming for a long term - he counts people like Hamas & the Venezuelan dictator who starved his people as friends, wrote for pro IRA papers in the past in support of their bombing campaign against the UK & laughed at the Brighton Hotel bombing because it injured Thatcher’s husband - he gets everything he deserves. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 23:22:24 GMT
To be honest I think corbyn is being used as a scapegoat. With Keir I don't trust him eather but Its the Iraq war has severely damaged the reputation of the party thanks to Blair and his mate Bush. Yes no one should be forced to have that sort of abuse and any person should have the book thrown at them if any wrongdoing is discovered. Corbyn is no scapegoat, he has had this coming for a long term - he counts people like Hamas & the Venezuelan dictator who starved his people as friends, wrote for pro IRA papers in the past in support of their bombing campaign against the UK & laughed at the Brighton Hotel bombing because it injured Thatcher’s husband - he gets everything he deserves. Jeremy Corbyn would better off splitting with Momentum into a separate party, taking a few Labour MPs with him and extreme left which is destroying everything the Labour Party is supposed to stand for. It’s so obvious this is where the division lies in the Labour Party and until Starmer is able to weed that out he cannot rebuild the party and eventually the red wall. He would be best allowing them to leave and rebuild a better Labour Party without the toxic extreme left Momentum. He still has enough time before the 2024 election to do this and bring the party back to a centre-left stance. I am not a labour voter but I do think the tories need a credible opposition to keep them in check and to hold them. accountable. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 29, 2020 23:36:19 GMT
Corbyn is no scapegoat, he has had this coming for a long term - he counts people like Hamas & the Venezuelan dictator who starved his people as friends, wrote for pro IRA papers in the past in support of their bombing campaign against the UK & laughed at the Brighton Hotel bombing because it injured Thatcher’s husband - he gets everything he deserves. Jeremy Corbyn would better off splitting with Momentum into a separate party, taking a few Labour MPs with him and extreme left which is destroying everything the Labour Party is supposed to stand for. It’s so obvious this is where the division lies in the Labour Party and until Starmer is able to weed that out he cannot rebuild the party and eventually the red wall. He would be best allowing them to leave and rebuild a better Labour Party without the toxic extreme left Momentum. He still has enough time before the 2024 election to do this and bring the party back to a centre-left stance. I am not a labour voter but I do think the tories need a credible opposition to keep them in check and to hold them. accountable. I agree with this partially. While I am a Labour supporter I don't think they're fit to govern while the hard left have any momentum. But then the issue you face is the new hard left party effectively splitting the national Labour vote. Even within London it could cause a division with places such as Islington North/South, Hackney etc all more likely to vote with the new left party while areas such as Barking, Vauxhall, Camberwell/Peckham will probably remain with the traditional Labour Party. I think if Starmer effectively pushes the non hard left agenda, or just keeps the hard left in check so they don't do anything silly then they might eventually die down to a point it can be controlled like in the Blair era. The issue we have there is that it's heavily dependant on the tories shooting a lot of own goals in the meantime, which they actually seem to be doing. |
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